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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Can you elaborate?

For example, ex-nomadic and Caucasian “honor culture” is linked to necessity of trust in regions with predominant animal husbandry. If your cattle gets stolen before winter, you die of hunger. That’s why honor killings and hospitality are the flip sides of the same coin — you can’t afford losing trust. Robert Sapolsky gave a lecture about it.

Interesting. Does that mean there's a low level of petty crimes like theft?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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THe prices were still very low. And the decision was almost immediately reversed. Any economical problem can't justify violent uprising with takeover of an airport and decapitating of police officers, etc. etc. Never.

Our only source for "decapitation of police officers" are Russian telegram accounts which, there is no question, are 100% trustworthy (they are not; what happened to that poor "little boy in underwear crucified in Ukraine" that never existed). On the other hand, we've got plenty of evidence of police shooting protesters, including in the head. I'm somehow sure relatives of the murdered are not OK with that. I wouldn'…

No, it is the official Kazakhstan source, not Russian telegram accounts. The uprising is very vioulent without any doubts. There are a lot of sources to confirm captures of government buildings and posession of arms. Speaking of Ukraine, do you remember a "burned AC unit" in Lugansk? That was not media, that was official Ukrainian statement.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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It seems noteworthy that Kazakhstan represents ~22% of Bitcoins hashrate (~45 TWh/year of electricity), at the same time as people are out in the streets rioting over the price of heating their homes.

The issue is with liquid gas prices used for car ICEs, not for home heating

Not according to this:

https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/a064b82a-4e4c-41ce-...

> Use of natural gas by households is dependent on the availability of natural gas network and price (Figure 5, Figure 6). Out of 21 000 surveyed households, 41% were using natural gas (for all purposes, including for heating, water heating and cooking purposes). The share of natural users by house type was as follows: 45% of urban apartments, 50% of urban detached houses, 31% of rural apartments and 31% of rural detached houses. Majority of the households in the western regions of Kazakhstan rely on natural gas due to the developed gas pipeline infrastructure and low gas prices.

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The old "fraternal assistance" card. Much like Yanukovych gave Russia the pretext to invade Ukraine in 2014.

The Russian military have been in the Crimea since back when there were British red coats stationed in New York City. If remaining where they have been for centuries is an invasion. Can't imagine Americans ever saying the US invaded South Vietnam when it's various puppet Saigon governments asked for fraternal assistance.

> The Russian military have been in the Crimea since back when there were British red coats stationed in New York City

By that logic, next time there's a protest or riot in NYC the British should send in some Royal Marines.

Russia signed a treaty with Ukraine respecting Ukrainian sovereignty and borders in 1997. It broke that treaty - and international law - in 2014 with the occupation of Crimea.

You could argue Crimea should never have been ceded to Ukraine back when both nations were part of the USSR and you may well be right. But if we start allowing military invasions to correct an injustice because part of a country was made part of another country, we'd have eternal conflict. Ask the Serbians about Kosovo, the Irish about Ulster, the Germans about East Prussia, on and on.

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My own experience in Kazakhstan a few years ago was amazing — kind, generous people. I had the most surreal (but standard) Russian Bath experience: sitting with a bunch of naked folks as they self-flog with branches in rooms so hot you needed wool caps to keep the top of your head from singeing. When I was getting dressed a huge guy next to me said something in Russian, I was certain I had committed some bath faux pa…

Reading and watching about these places on YouTube (BaldAndBankrupt) and recently numerous videos about Pakistan, Afghanistan, India. I can't help but feel modern Western society has lost and forgotten something within. It's hard to describe but easier described as nearest to changes in warmth and compassion. It's only getting worse and these old places it seems ingrained.

Off topic, but another interesting and tragic story is about the Aral Sea between Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. I actually don't know in what state it is now, but it shows perils of modern agriculture and resulting environmental problems which hit the population severely. The issues often fly under the radar because it is said that people are used to environmental hardships, so a sea vanishing wasn't seen as something too catastrophic. I think there are efforts to restore the sea and that might be extremely important for the overall health of the population in the vicinity.

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I went to school with a young kazak person I don't want to reveal to much about them, but let me just say this. Their parents had direct contact to the state and they were unaccountably rich went to an insanely expensive private school and owned various apartments all across Europe. The west DOES benefit from the corruption related to those states.

> I went to school with a young kazak person (...) Their parents had direct contact to the state and they were unaccountably rich went to an insanely expensive private school and owned various apartments all across Europe. I don't understand what point you tried to make. Do you believe someone needs deep state contacts and government approval to purchase private property in a European country?

No I'm saying our economies do benefit from people throwing money around. They buy citizenship they buy massive amounts of real estate they spend obscene amounts of money on nightlife, they buy luxury cars it's not just the Russia who benefits....

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Our only source for "decapitation of police officers" are Russian telegram accounts which, there is no question, are 100% trustworthy (they are not; what happened to that poor "little boy in underwear crucified in Ukraine" that never existed). On the other hand, we've got plenty of evidence of police shooting protesters, including in the head. I'm somehow sure relatives of the murdered are not OK with that. I wouldn'…

No, it is the official Kazakhstan source, not Russian telegram accounts. The uprising is very vioulent without any doubts. There are a lot of sources to confirm captures of government buildings and posession of arms. Speaking of Ukraine, do you remember a "burned AC unit" in Lugansk? That was not media, that was official Ukrainian statement.

> No, it is the official Kazakhstan source

Which source? The one that requested Russian intervention? Why there are lots of videos of protests, shootings, killings by the Kazakh army, and looting by unidentified people but only words of the interested party for this one?

I don't remember the "AC unit" but I do remember Russian media's "100% sure version of 2 Ukraine planes downing the Netherlands' jet" a few years ago (with interviews of "experts" all over the place). That was their position for a long time (maybe half a year, until they shamelessly changed it to "Ukraine BUKs did it"). The "beheading story" seems like a fairy tale from the same authors.

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It's never been that peaceful in the world. The thing that has changed is media reports from all over the world.

>It's never been that peaceful in the world. The presence of peace, or the absence of war is indeed a big plus, but doesn't mean automatic happiness for everyone.

Happiness is an interesting concept. I currently think it's very relative to your neighbors or, to a lesser extent, to people you know about. In modern world information spreads much easier. Ignorance is really a bliss in terms of happiness.

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No, it is the official Kazakhstan source, not Russian telegram accounts. The uprising is very vioulent without any doubts. There are a lot of sources to confirm captures of government buildings and posession of arms. Speaking of Ukraine, do you remember a "burned AC unit" in Lugansk? That was not media, that was official Ukrainian statement.

> No, it is the official Kazakhstan source Which source? The one that requested Russian intervention? Why there are lots of videos of protests, shootings, killings by the Kazakh army, and looting by unidentified people but only words of the interested party for this one? I don't remember the "AC unit" but I do remember Russian media's "100% sure version of 2 Ukraine planes downing the Netherlands' jet" a few years ag…

You don't remember the AC unit? Really? You can start from here: https://www.unian.net/politics/924578-luganskie-terroristyi-... and go on to read all the reactions of Ukrainian officials from this moment and on. Please do so. It's never too late to do.

BTW, it has nothing to do with Kazakhstan's legitimate goverment, which is free to request military assistance from an organization (not just from Russia, if it matters).

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There isn't a US-Russia conflict over Ukraine. US had no part of Ukraine's uprising. Late in the Trump presidency long after issues had settled, the US started getting involved with selling supplies.

This is very much untrue. The US began getting involved Ukraine the moment Russia began sowing discontent and violence in Ukraine - as early as 2012. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/us-ukraine-security-... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to... https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai... ...and I won't get into the donations from Ukraine to the Clinton Foundation a…

All but one of those articles is from well after 2012 (2019 and 2021). And the earliest one you linked is from 2014, from after the point even when Crimea was annexed. So your sources don't jive with your statement.
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