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We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Any experience with other providers of dedicated servers, e.g. Digitalocean?

Does DO even offer dedicated servers? I have used their vps in the past. It was ok, no issues, but more expensive than hetzners vps or dedicated for large traffic/cpu needs.

Yes DO does. Generally slightly more expensive than Hetzner, with a few more AWS-like features.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Yes, but "Serverbörse" machines are very non-uniform, which may be bad for load balancing. See yourself: https://www.hetzner.com/sb

I have 3 servers, 2/3 don't have hardware timestamping on the interface, 1 does. Makes a huge difference when it comes to NTP.

Which hetzner server have hardware timestamping on the interface?

I'd be really interested to know, since to the best of my knowledge, they don't have PTP solutions in their datacenter.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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> Which, franky, is dumb. File downloads depend on throughput, not time to first byte like a small javascript file. Once bits start flowing it doesn't matter if they travel half way around the globe. Round-trip latency has a significant impact on TCP throughput. It's not just about time to first byte. They're also not a static file serving website. If they were just serving static files and they didn't care about lat…

> Round-trip latency has a significant impact on TCP throughput. It's not just about time to first byte. I've built three CDNs in my career, one at the Tbps scale. Latency only has two factors in throughput: time to scale window size, and retransmits. Modern TCP stacks handle the prior just fine, and the latter is only an issue with packet loss. You can also turn on HTTP/3 and remove your reliance on TCP entirely. >…

> My offer still stands if you'd like a tour of a datacenter and see the sausage being made at scale.

I might take you up on that offer, as I might need that for some new project I'm preparing.

Where are you located?

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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> It is extremely centralized control and the CEO of Cloudflare has already terminated accounts of a business he had a personal distaste for on whim. As opposed to the CEO of Amazon/Rackspace/your favorite host here who doesn't have the ability to terminate your account? What are you saying? Or are there other non-profit web hosts and CDNs that I missed? If you have a personal axe to grind against the CEO of Cloudfla…

Superkuh's point is that depending on any single service to protect/host/route your content is setting up oneself up to be Parler'd or 8chan'd. It doesn't matter how good the technology. If you don't any have any control over it, you're one copyright strike or bad mood from a CEO away from being deplatformed. There's.no need to grind an axe to observe how past actions have set the course for the future, perhaps for t…

To be fair, Parler and 8chan did deserve to get Parler'd and 8chan'd respectively. To also be fair, even if you are not Parler or 8chan, it is a valid concern.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Hacker news is text only though

Most blogs should be as well.

Mostly text with the occasional picture that's part of the content and not just a weird space-filling header

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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It is annoying that the answer is basically "we paid someone [Cloudflare] to do it." In light of that I decided to run some of my own numbers and figure it out. They are pushing about 245 Mbps out of Cloudflare (averaged over the month). Wholesale IP transit prices are anywhere from 10 cents to a dollar per Mbps depending on volume. Cloudflare dumps 40% of their traffic over peering, putting their price at $14.70/mo.…

Do tell where you found your 1Gbps unlimited bandwidth for $30. Sure it wasn't $300?

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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I have 3 servers, 2/3 don't have hardware timestamping on the interface, 1 does. Makes a huge difference when it comes to NTP.

Which hetzner server have hardware timestamping on the interface? I'd be really interested to know, since to the best of my knowledge, they don't have PTP solutions in their datacenter.

I have two of the AX41-NVMe, and only one was lucky enough to get a "Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)" which has the hardware timestamping.

In the finland datacenter, it appears there is a PTP running, though the offset is ~2.33 seconds off from NTP. Chrony says its a false-ticker, but I haven't really figured out how to get it configured correctly nor have I asked Hetzner for help. I've mostly just played around with it.

I did manage to also accidentally discover a local ISP's stratum 1's server is extremely close to me, as in a few microseconds away (I accidentally put hetzner's servers as a pool instead of a server and my NTP 'discovered' the stratum 1) ... I'm not using it, but I've thought about reaching out to them to ask if I can use it if I'm very nice.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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It's impressive it takes that much money to do almost no traffic. A raspberry PI could handle the compute.

Only if the traffic is evenly distributed during the day. Which it's almost certainly not.

You can get a $15 2.5 gigabit ethernet adapter for that Raspberry and now you're set for peak loads.

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>Again, _as opposed to what_? Are you saying polyhaven should go multi-cloud and spend triple what they need? You aren't actually presenting any real solutions, you are just complaining about the cloudflare ceo. I haven't complained or suggested a damn thing in my previous comment. All I've provided is an extended summary of Superkuh's comments and supported those claims with evidence of past events. Exercising due d…

> You can't ensure the CEO of a company doesn't null route you. So the alternatives aren't better than Cloudflare, Superkuh just had an axe to grind specifically with Cloudflare. And there is no an alternative solution that wrests control from a CEO having a bad day. At the end of the day, he's still at the whims of the Cloudflare/Bunny/Akamai and if he wants to be fully in control he must spend millions building his…

Any alternative is better than everyone using Cloudflare. This would be true even if Cloudflare hadn't already demonstrated their untrustworthiness. It's true for LetsEncrypt even if LE is awesome and really improved the internet and there are other options. If people only use one thing in practice it is a locus of control.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Which hetzner server have hardware timestamping on the interface? I'd be really interested to know, since to the best of my knowledge, they don't have PTP solutions in their datacenter.

I have two of the AX41-NVMe, and only one was lucky enough to get a "Intel Corporation I210 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 03)" which has the hardware timestamping. In the finland datacenter, it appears there is a PTP running, though the offset is ~2.33 seconds off from NTP. Chrony says its a false-ticker, but I haven't really figured out how to get it configured correctly nor have I asked Hetzner for help. I've mos…

Would you care to share the IPs? (both for the Hetzner PTP one and the local ISP stratum 1)

Is the 2.33s stable? If so, after deducing the stable offset, it could still be valuable.

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