We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400 • Hacker News Board

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#141

Post by cortesoft » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:13 AM UTC

kortilla wrote: post #127

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you're going to centralize in Cloudflare you might as well just skip the hosting the website bit entirely and make a business account on Facebook as your host. These responses are getting bizarre. Facebook pages have nothing to do with web hosting or Cloudflare. Also, hosting on a single server in a single datacenter is, literally, the definition of centralized. Cloudflare distributes the content to a huge numbe…

Because cloud flare administratively centralizes a solution that was previously distributed. Guess what percentage of websites Cloudflare could take down in minutes if they decided? It doesn’t matter if cloudflare itself uses a distributed architecture. It’s a massive central point of failure/malice.

If cloudflare did that, then you do a simple DNS change and host your content somewhere else.

You are ALWAYS going to be contracting with a third party to provide your connection to the internet... why is trusting cloudflare not to block you riskier than trusting your ISP or the data center that has your server?

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#142

Post by smilliken » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:18 AM UTC

qeternity wrote: post #72

NorwegianDude wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wholesale IP transit prices are anywhere from 10 cents to a dollar per Mbps depending on volume. 10 cents is far from the lower end for high quality IP transit. Cloudflare doesn't pay anywhere near $14.70/mo for 80 TB/mo. Even I spend much less than that on 80 TB in a month. On top of that, peering makes it even cheaper for Cloudflare, as you said. Cloudflare is very likely using peering for much more than 40 % of…

Cloudflare might not pay that on a per TB basis, but where are you getting 10 gige transit for under $1k??

Market rate for a 10gbps port is now less than $1k/mo

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#143

Post by bawolff » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:18 AM UTC

metadat wrote: post #77

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was running www.Photopea.com with 10M page views a month for $40 a year. > Now, I upgraded to $60 a month. I never used any CDN. Why not go back to the $40/month plan and spend $20/month on Cloudflare Pro? I was able to load photopea.com in about 5000ms, uncached. That's not terrible, but it was slow enough that I wondered for a few seconds if the site was broken. A CDN would cut that load time massively, and it…

Honest question: Why is everyone pushing CentralizedFlare pro so hard in this thread?

Can we not call companies silly names. It seems childish.

To answer the actual question - its the obvious answer. They make a product that works well and is relatively cheap. Is it without drawbacks? obviously not, nothing is. However, for a significant segment of the market the value proposition makes sense.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#144

Post by nemothekid » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:20 AM UTC

superkuh wrote: post #109

ibic wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, I’m still wrapping my head reading these comments, “bizarre” is the word I was looking for.

Conflating cloudflare's distributed architecture with distributed control is just silly. It is extremely centralized control and the CEO of Cloudflare has already terminated accounts of a business he had a personal distaste for on whim. "Non-commercial" might be a better way to understand this point of view. Instead of prioritizing profit (the reason for people using cloudflare, it's cheap and good) the idea is to mi…

>It is extremely centralized control and the CEO of Cloudflare has already terminated accounts of a business he had a personal distaste for on whim.

As opposed to the CEO of Amazon/Rackspace/your favorite host here who doesn't have the ability to terminate your account? What are you saying? Or are there other non-profit web hosts and CDNs that I missed?

If you have a personal axe to grind against the CEO of Cloudflare, just say that.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#145

Post by yawnxyz » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:22 AM UTC

the8472 wrote: post #140

willcipriano wrote: post #25

If you are worried about getting your blog post to the top of Reddit or Hacker News (I've never been there myself); you can have a very modest web server or even a pay per request serverless sort of thing and pay $20 real quick to Cloudflare if you happen to get popular. It's the Bart Simpson method of highly scalability[0], for static content you can have global datacenter coverage in a couple minutes or so if you u…

You know what isn't served from a CDN? Hacker News. If HN can handle the traffic then so should be some static blog site.

As a designer, it's really easy for me to put something on Cloudflare... doing what HN does would take at least more than a few hours (and the knowledge) to set up properly.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#146

Post by thejosh » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:22 AM UTC

systemvoltage wrote: post #129

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #26

Question: I want to make a live video streaming website a la Twitch.tv. How much would CloudFlare charge me to stream 8 Mbps to ~80,000 viewers for 4 hours?

I want to pile up: Why is it that bandwidth today is so expensive for things like video? Is there some kind of a good-ol-boys network of companies that are preventing from making bandwidth so cheap its not worth metering? What does the future hold? I am asking this because YouTube seems to have a massive monopoly both on technology as well as content/audience/network-effects. Even if you can get all the people of You…

Bandwidth is only expensive through cloud providers, to try and squeeze you for it. If you go bare metal, dedicated, or just rack your own servers you can peer with a lot of providers and get essentially free bandwidth.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#147

Post by bawolff » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:22 AM UTC

metadat wrote: post #82

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cause it solves real issues for dirt cheap.... I mean really cold cache from the above user is at 5000ms that's pretty horrible. When I tried I got 2800ms. Take a look around it seems to be mostly from fetching static content which is a classic problem CDNs solve.

Got it, yeah, web-tier caching is annoying to do yourself. Cheers and thank you kind sir or madam!

It doesn't have to be annoying, just easier.

People have been citing $30/month. Even if you value your time at min wage, its probably still cheaper than setting up your own varnish (and that's assuming you don't care about improving the last little bit of latency with geo located edge servers)

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#148

Post by bawolff » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:24 AM UTC

tshaddox wrote: post #91

metadat wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Why is everyone pushing CentralizedFlare pro so hard in this thread?

Is there a decentralized solution you would recommend that’s better?

I appreciate you are replying to someone, but i feel like this doesn't quite make sense. You're running a website. Why would your web server be decentralized? HTTP is a client/server protocol after all.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#149

Post by acidburnNSA » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:30 AM UTC

willcipriano wrote: post #25

If you are worried about getting your blog post to the top of Reddit or Hacker News (I've never been there myself); you can have a very modest web server or even a pay per request serverless sort of thing and pay $20 real quick to Cloudflare if you happen to get popular. It's the Bart Simpson method of highly scalability[0], for static content you can have global datacenter coverage in a couple minutes or so if you u…

I've had my personal $5/mo Digital Ocean VPS Wordpress site hit the top of HN before. I kept an eye on htop, but it handled it just fine. Exciting times.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

#150

Post by bawolff » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 4:34 AM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #63

willcipriano wrote: post #25

If you are worried about getting your blog post to the top of Reddit or Hacker News (I've never been there myself); you can have a very modest web server or even a pay per request serverless sort of thing and pay $20 real quick to Cloudflare if you happen to get popular. It's the Bart Simpson method of highly scalability[0], for static content you can have global datacenter coverage in a couple minutes or so if you u…

> you can have a very modest web server or even a pay per request serverless sort of thing and pay $20 real quick to Cloudflare if you happen to get popular. I get the impression that a lot of the critics in this thread don't really understand Cloudflare, how cheap it is, or even the concept of CDNs in general. $20/month for Cloudflare Pro is a steal for what you get. Spinning up a dedicated server in a single datace…

> Spinning up a dedicated server in a single datacenter somewhere isn't going to give the same results, especially if your users are geographically distributed like in this case.

Maybe not, but is the target audience that shills out $20/month really the type of people who have optimized their site to such an extent that shaving 50ms off the request latency by having your edge cache geolocated is really the type of thing that makes the difference? most of that group could probably do a lot of other optimizations that probably count for more.