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I am very thankful that my youngest graduated high school in 2020. The last couple of months were screwed up, but there wasn't much real education lost by then; most seniors pretty much check out after Spring Break anyway. I really feel for the kids who are younger. The effects of this are going to be with us for decades.
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Well one my kids has had an open sore on his mouth for months because of the mask. Im equally as fascinated by parents who find masking their children to be totally fine. They don’t really have a say in this and I don’t believe for one second that kids would rather wear a mask than not.
> Im equally as fascinated by parents who find masking their children to be totally fine. It's not "totally fine." We're all tired of the masks, sure. I just don't think they're actively harmful. > They don’t really have a say in this and I don’t believe for one second that kids would rather wear a mask than not. Heh, I don't have to tell you, I'm sure, but there's a lot of things kids would rather not do.
Grown-up that have never change their social circles for year will not be able to empathize. Nomads definitely do and understand what kids have to go through as they are trying to navigate the world and understand other human being from scratch.
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I have some bad news for you: if your child is college bound then they are about to go into another environment that has been profoundly damaged by the pandemic: a college campus. Students at my university are angry and depressed about the fact that they're paying thousands of dollars for glorified university of Phoenix. The college social scene is also obviously heavily disrupted, which is probably an underappreciat…
You but how long… gap year seemed like a good move at pandemic start but is been 2 years now with no End in sight
I graduated in 2008. I feel those who graduate during covid. The good thing about 2008 is that we had the names of all the people that were to be held accountable. the bad news is that no one has been jailed and that we all started our career at the worst time possible in recent history. Now is same. we definitely sacrified our youth mental health,jobs, starting a family dreams, starting salary, hopes, future retirem…
This is true right up until one is old enough to vote. One of the most frustrating realizations as I've gotten older (I graduated during the great recession too) is that younger people don't vote while older people do. Most of what you listed could be fixed or at least vastly improved if younger demographics actually bothered to address issues that impact them, because older people certainly do.
- Expensive housing could be addressed by younger voters pressing their local council to permit more units. Instead we have wealthy and older people pressing for the opposite.
- Starter jobs/salary etc. could be helped if younger people pressed their politicians to update minimum wage/paid leave etc. Yet we don't.
- Healthcare etc. could be universal, instead it's only universal for people of a certain age (read: the demographic that votes).
I get that not all issues are solvable by young people, and pinning all their issues on them isn't productive, but there's so much that could be improved if they simply looked after themselves the way older people do.
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Then: 1. What power do kids have with which to influence adults? 2. Why does the pandemic have anything to do with anything? It's a weird non sequitur if your intent wasn't to suggest bioterrorism.
> Why does the pandemic have anything to do with anything? Pandemic versus climate is basically the adult's future versus children's future. That's why I'm saying children should take a stand here.
We adults have been failing them miserably and we should be ashamed of ourselves.
The audacity to tell them that they should bargain with us for their future. Unbelievable.
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> How many person-hours of lost productivity is there for each day a classroom is closed? At least a hundred per classroom, more than a thousand for each day a school is closed. I think I must have missed the point at which classrooms took on a responsibility for parental productivity? If so, does parental productivity also fall drastically during summer when schools have holidays? Stresses by the pandemic itself hav…
"I think I must have missed the point at which classrooms took on a responsibility for parental productivity?" Why the resentful reaction? Schools DO increase parent productivity, and that's one among many positive features of a school. It's not a bad thing! I'm proposing that the cost benefit analysis would show that we should invest more in keeping schools safely open, and doing so will probably pay off immediately…
It certainly isn't. What I'm saying is that:
- Your repeated statement that "Schools increase parent productivity" is far from proven in the first place (see the point about summer, which is not consider a major 'productivity hit' event at most companies, unlike Christmas or Thanksgiving).
- And even if it were true, it's an incidental factor, and not one that is planned for.
> ...if there's an immediate justification using even very reductive capitalist thinking then it should be easy to build a consensus.
Sure. All I'm saying is that the consensus which you're talking about should emerge from first principles, and should not just happen to fall close to "schools should stay open as usual, disregarding the pandemic sweeping the nation". If schools do indeed have a measurable effect on parental productivity, then the consensus could look like companies being required to enter into a profit sharing arrangement with all the schools of their employees' children.
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Also note that COVID has killed more people than combat deaths in all U.S. wars combined . U.S. COVID death toll is now 826K, combat death toll for major U.S. wars is a total of 666K: 291K for WW2, 214K for the Civil War, 53K for WW1, 47K for Vietnam, 33K for Korea, and then numbers start getting negligible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualt... It's also passed the death toll in the U.S. fr…
It's already widely recognized that death toll figure is died 'with' COVID, not died 'from' COVID, which is okay as a number in itself. However direct comparison using such figure is disingenuous.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
You also can view the weekly totals for observed and predicted deaths on that site. You'll see that deaths from non-COVID causes track the predicted value quite well, but when you add in deaths from COVID, the curve follows the timing of COVID cases quite well.
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"For the past two years, large parts of American society have decided harming children was an unavoidable side effect of Covid-19." This sentence also implied that there had been consensus about what the trade-off is which I don't think everyone would agree with. I definitely know some parents who are afraid if their children returning to badly ventilated classrooms
And what harms a child more, in a rational compromising world: part of the family dead or losing revenue due to hard sickness, or staying away from school for a while? This writer may not have children, im terrified to leave my toddler behind, am I selfish? What is this fake dichotomy...
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Well one my kids has had an open sore on his mouth for months because of the mask. Im equally as fascinated by parents who find masking their children to be totally fine. They don’t really have a say in this and I don’t believe for one second that kids would rather wear a mask than not.
> Im equally as fascinated by parents who find masking their children to be totally fine. It's not "totally fine." We're all tired of the masks, sure. I just don't think they're actively harmful. > They don’t really have a say in this and I don’t believe for one second that kids would rather wear a mask than not. Heh, I don't have to tell you, I'm sure, but there's a lot of things kids would rather not do.
Indeed, but in your previous comment you said “masks on their face not a big deal”. I take it that is how you feel about it and not how they feel about it. Maybe we should think about them a little more is the point - adults have clearly been wrong about everything.