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No Way to Grow Up

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by cjaybo »

WalterBright wrote: post #74
tester756 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My last year of higher edu was remote and I really loved it in 80% Finally I didn't have to waste time on commute and it was way easier to ignore doubtful profs/useless courses and focus on the right things. but yea, things may be harder if you don't know people you're studying with

Why did you take useless classes? Colleges give students great leeway in course selection.

I'm sure you've heard of prerequisites, but maybe you haven't encountered any questionable requirements in the classes you took at the schools you attended?

Personally, I had to take classes like "Ancient Eastern Civilizations" while pursuing a degree in Audio Production. So while the term "useless" is a bit strong, I understand where they're coming from.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by wayoutthere »

animal_spirits wrote: post #75
wayoutthere wrote: post #52

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The problem isn’t the kids getting sick, it’s the adults teaching them getting sick and dying. We’ve treated teachers like shit for so long that many are just saying “nope, not dying for a job” because they can go make more money doing literally anything else. We were scraping the bottom of the barrel even before Covid. If kids education were really a priority, the right time to invest was 20 years ago. The system ha…

> the right time to invest was 20 years ago The second best time to plant a tree is today

It’s probably too late, this country is about to fracture. All the indicators point to a coup coming in the next few years which will launch us into an unknown realm of violence. We’re way deep into “the cool zone” now.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by alisonkisk »

vitro wrote: post #156
_jal wrote: post #54

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There appears to be a weird blind-spot when discussing COVID outcomes - anything short of death appears to be discounted or ignored. So hospital issues, long COVID, etc. just don't exist, so catching it either didn't matter or you're dead. On a planet where that was true, that sort of reasoning would make sense. (As it does if you're trying to encourage other people to ignore risks.) What I don't understand is why so…

The quora answer [1] by Franklin Veaux to question "How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?" explains nicely that it is not binary live/die at all. Mind though that this was written in the beginning of the pandemic when we didn't have the same information as now, so numbers may be imprecise, but the explanation still stands. https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-disease-with-1-mortality-shu...

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by Jtsummers »

amelius wrote: post #167
Jtsummers wrote: post #88

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> There is a pandemic going on. Kids can "vote" with their behavior. So, is your suggestion the kids should get organized to deliberately spread or threaten to spread COVID in order to control adult behavior?

No, I'm sure there are more diplomatic ways.

Then:

1. What power do kids have with which to influence adults?

2. Why does the pandemic have anything to do with anything? It's a weird non sequitur if your intent wasn't to suggest bioterrorism.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by bsder »

WalterBright wrote: post #114
bsder wrote: post #49

Except that real solutions never seem to be on the table. For example, how about atomizing school into pods of smaller numbers of students with teachers scattered around the district instead of 30+ students per teacher with 1000+ students crammed into a building or campus? This would be especially effective for the youngest students. And a "Covid Outbreak" would shut down less than a dozen students and a teacher for…

The schools are funded with rivers of cash. It's simply squandered. More money won't help (that's been tried many times). To make schools safe is simple - hold classes outside. It won't work everywhere everytime, but it can work enough. It'll work fine in California, Arizona, Seattle most of the time, etc.

> The schools are funded with rivers of cash. It's simply squandered. More money won't help (that's been tried many times).

Sigh. This simply isn't true. I'm no fan of the Gates Foundation as I think they helicopter in, muck everything up, and then leave picking up the pieces to the locals after they leave again. However, their transparency was at least useful.

If you want effective education in younger students, it takes 2 adults in the room (both certified), less than 15 kids in the room, and costs about $15K per student (it's been a while since the study so this number has likely gone up).

We spend nowhere near this in education. All initiatives that did this have all been shut down in spite of their documented success.

We know what works. We tried it. We have the data.

It simply costs more than the political will to implement it.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by adam_arthur »

tehjoker wrote: post #37

I wonder how all those kids with long covid will view decisions to physically disable them potentially for life so the state could force their parents to work. I wonder how kids mental health copes with the idea that adults will intentionally expose them and others to a deadly disease with no mitigations to make money.

Please share some stats on long covid in kids. e.g. effects that persist more than a few months out that can be reasonably expected to be permanent

Surely they exist if you're making a comment like this, right?

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by CountDrewku »

babyblueblanket wrote: post #9

Are there any teachers who can really talk about solutions to the problems covid presents? Rather seriously, of what I can find anecdotally online (as I know no teachers IRL) that even trying to have in-person classes haven't really helped, because parents pull their kids out of class or a significant chunk misses school due to being out sick/quarantine and now the entire lesson plan is screwed up.

The solution is to stop testing and quarantining. People don't want to hear it, but that's it. Omicron is a cold. Stop quarantining students and teachers who are around someone who's sick. If you have symptoms stay home, if you don't then go to school. In a few months it'll burn through the population and problem solved.

A lot of the student and teachers being kept home are symptom free.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by tehjoker »

jdminhbg wrote: post #141
tehjoker wrote: post #37

I wonder how all those kids with long covid will view decisions to physically disable them potentially for life so the state could force their parents to work. I wonder how kids mental health copes with the idea that adults will intentionally expose them and others to a deadly disease with no mitigations to make money.

> kids with long covid ... physically disable them potentially for life At what point do we decide that totally evidence-free hysterical claims like this are as much misinformation as anti-vaxx posting is?

The clinical picture is still evolving. There is much less information than for adults, but here's the first google link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by r00fus »

woodruffw wrote: post #102
aantix wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We didn't have positive or negative evidence that children weren't an at-risk group Why aren't the low death rates for the 0-17 cohort enough?

Because, again, children's health is not accurately reflected in adult models. "Kills adults" can be correspond to almost anything in children, and telling people to bet their children's health on an unknown respiratory disease isn't good politics or good public health policy.

It's a blood/brain pathogen that is infectious via respiratory means.

A lot of the "varied issues" that long-COVID sufferers deal with are more easily explained by the disruption of the circulatory system (esp. as it affects the brain - when the body's defenses kill COVID-infected brain cells en-masse that results in the "brain fog").

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by fredestine »

I graduated in 2008. I feel those who graduate during covid. The good thing about 2008 is that we had the names of all the people that were to be held accountable. the bad news is that no one has been jailed and that we all started our career at the worst time possible in recent history.

Now is same. we definitely sacrified our youth mental health,jobs, starting a family dreams, starting salary, hopes, future retirement, cost of renting an apartment, never ever hopes of buying a place and confined them in small third-rate boomer-owned apartment so that old people don't die from covid. many more healthy young people will die from this than they could have died from covid.

it is our western society and leaders that made this choice for us because our olds own all the power (just look at trump and biden pelosi age). and western leaders made this decision just like japan elderly people made the choice to go clean fukushima reactor so that their youth doesn't die from doing it.

I guess people need to make a choice. what kind of society do we wish to live in.

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