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No Way to Grow Up

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by pb7 »

yupper32 wrote: post #358
pb7 wrote: post #343

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It's been on the table since early summer in the Bay Area too. I have no idea what this dude is on about. There are more concerts and events than I remember there being in 2019 and they are frequently sold out.

Of course they're still around, legally. I said they're not really on the table because the vast majority of experts are still saying not to gather in large groups. You have to go out of your way to ignore those experts in order to go to these concerts and events.

Yeah, that's their job. Their job isn't to make sure you live a fulfilling and happy life. They're warning you but after that it's up to you to weigh the risks and make decisions within the law of your jurisdiction. Personally, I've had the best time of my life last year and I plan on doing even better this year. You do you.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by khazhoux »

elpakal wrote: post #354
khazhoux wrote: post #344

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I'm fascinated by this kind of response from other parents. My kids don't really mind the masks. It's just not a big deal to them. I mean, I obviously hope we can go back to normal before too much longer, but the mask itself isn't actively harming them. On the other hand, not being able to interact with classmates during school-from-home last year... that had a big effect on their social lives. But now, they see and…

Well one my kids has had an open sore on his mouth for months because of the mask. Im equally as fascinated by parents who find masking their children to be totally fine. They don’t really have a say in this and I don’t believe for one second that kids would rather wear a mask than not.

> Im equally as fascinated by parents who find masking their children to be totally fine.

It's not "totally fine." We're all tired of the masks, sure. I just don't think they're actively harmful.

> They don’t really have a say in this and I don’t believe for one second that kids would rather wear a mask than not.

Heh, I don't have to tell you, I'm sure, but there's a lot of things kids would rather not do.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by throwaway75787 »

swayvil wrote: post #299
buscoquadnary wrote: post #145

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So personal anecdote our two year old is behind on speech, we had someone come in to evaluate him and he mentioned that he has been seeing it a lot, citing that because so many people are wearing masks, and the kids weren't spending more time around other people it had created a trend he had noticed.

That reply you replied to got flagged, downvoted, murdered. And it was an extremely tame reply. Is it just me or is the intolerance for dissent ramping up?

It's not just you.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by pb7 »

yupper32 wrote: post #357
pb7 wrote: post #352

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Have you considered that maybe at some point, especially 6+ months after a highly effective vaccine has been available to everyone that wants it, that people are going to want to go back to living their lives? Get vaccinated, get boosted, take precautions if it makes you feel better, but the show will go on.

Who are we to make that decision? I'm not an immunologist or infectious disease expert, and I'm assuming you're not either.

I don't need to be.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by kadoban »

toolz wrote: post #347
kadoban wrote: post #331

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A parent catching covid after they are vaccinated and/or after there are better treatments is a parent far less likely to die. A parent catching covid with and without the hospitals currently being overrun is also a huge difference.

It'll be years before anything truly game changing hits the market. As for hospital capacity, we're down 7% from last year, there's no reason to believe we haven't screwed our economy/healthcare to the point it won't just get worse.

There's already far better treatments now than existed at the start. Look for all the small things that add up, not one silver bullet.

Then there's vaccines which _are_ game changing.

There's also new drug(s) coming in already, Pfizer's pill for instance.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

flerchin wrote: post #273

At least for us, in the early days, I understood the school closures to be about protecting the sometimes elderly staff, and the children from unknowns. Now that vaccinations are widely available to both the staff and kids, I would like to see a more rigorous adherence to the rigor of the before times. Regular bus schedules, and regular lunch times, and generally doing sports and activities, within the bounds of circ…

Nearly everyone is experiencing more baseline stress these days. I doubt a more predictable daily schedule would be all that reassuring against a backdrop of cascading supply chain disruptions and spiralling political dialogue.

I'm not a parent but I like the sentiment behind the saying, 'Talk to your kids about the changing world order, before someone else does'.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by ilteris »

I don't give a shit what the article says or specifically points to but I can tell you this much. I am a dad of a 6 year old. My kid goes to public school in NYC and last year was bad... They did a test at the beginning of this year before the start of the first grade and her results were awful. This is an unprecedented event and everyone is clueless including in education. I don't make a big deal about the test results and it's the reality. Educators are aware but it's not enough, we should be aware too. These kids are more resilient than most people think and we still need to support them. I am lucky I can get paid support for her but not all families have that privilege. So please stop being pedantic about the article and instead maybe focus on how you might create solutions. And please exclude online classes from those solutions. Thank you.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by op00to »

ajmurmann wrote: post #83
superfrank wrote: post #18

I'm not sure I like this article. They seems to overstate what the sources they link to claim. For example the article says > Some researchers are skeptical that school closures reduce Covid cases in most instances. But when you go to the study they link, it says > Although school closures reduce the number of contacts children have, and may decrease transmission, a study of 12 million adults in the UK found no diffe…

"For the past two years, large parts of American society have decided harming children was an unavoidable side effect of Covid-19." This sentence also implied that there had been consensus about what the trade-off is which I don't think everyone would agree with. I definitely know some parents who are afraid if their children returning to badly ventilated classrooms

I’d say my son and most (but not all) of his classmates in elementary school did as good with virtual learning as they did with in person.

Of course, there’s the huge asterisk. This is all because most of those children had at least one parent who could and did actively take part in the virtual learning. Very lucky.

What it tells me though, is that the issue of virtual learning is not one of pedagogy or whatever, but simply one of money. It’s expensive to keep one person at home to teach kids on an ad-hoc basis.

We don’t want to really invest in education, so the other unavoidable choice is to “let er rip” through schools.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by toolz »

kadoban wrote: post #365
toolz wrote: post #347

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It'll be years before anything truly game changing hits the market. As for hospital capacity, we're down 7% from last year, there's no reason to believe we haven't screwed our economy/healthcare to the point it won't just get worse.

There's already far better treatments now than existed at the start. Look for all the small things that add up, not one silver bullet. Then there's vaccines which _are_ game changing. There's also new drug(s) coming in already, Pfizer's pill for instance.

yeah we've heard miracle therapeutics for a year now, look at remdesivir, made more headlines than anything else and ended up doing nothing.

Sacrificing months of life for the unlikely possibility of a therapeutic from a disease that's unlikely to do lasting harm isn't something I would do and I certainly would never sacrifice anyone else's months of life or demand that they do in order to give me that "off-chance". We have vaccines, that's what we planned on having, they are here now. Time to stop pretending we've not spent the past year and change screwing over poor people and move on with life.

oh yeah, not to mention monoclonal antibodies are being denied by the federal government now, looks like even therapeutics might be dwindling in numbers.

sounds crazy right? Yeah, yeah it does.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by biscottigelato »

nostrademons wrote: post #325
323 wrote: post #281

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Times have changed, we are more sensitive now to death. In the past it was considered normal to lose 50k soldiers in a war, have 3 of your kids die as infants, ...

Also note that COVID has killed more people than combat deaths in all U.S. wars combined . U.S. COVID death toll is now 826K, combat death toll for major U.S. wars is a total of 666K: 291K for WW2, 214K for the Civil War, 53K for WW1, 47K for Vietnam, 33K for Korea, and then numbers start getting negligible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualt... It's also passed the death toll in the U.S. fr…

It's already widely recognized that death toll figure is died 'with' COVID, not died 'from' COVID, which is okay as a number in itself. However direct comparison using such figure is disingenuous.
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