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No, it doesn't matter when, a parent dying when a kid is 10 is no different than when the kid is 11. Let's not pretend people are avoiding covid for multiple years here, because statistically they aren't.
Mortality rates are creeping down and new therapeutics are coming in, though.
It seems like this is a case where science doesn't tell the whole story. The pro-science stance is very numbers-focused, but ignores hard-to-quantify things that really do matter. People see their kids suffering. Masks do have a cost. Millions of years of evolution say that facial expressions are really important, especially for adolescents. Fear has a cost. And quality of life matters. Everyone knows this. Even the…
To me it feels like the numbers are focused on one metric: deaths from covid (per capita).
It seems obvious that that is what we should be focusing on. But I think most humans accept some risk of death in everyday choices. For example, driving to meet your friends to have dinner or "watch the game" or whatever brings some risk of death that "staying home alone" wouldn't.
For two years now, people have been in various states of behavioral modification to avoid "deaths from covid". During that time, children have suffered reduced learning; businesses have died or been killed; single people have gotten increasingly depressed; the country has increased anxiety. None of those things show up in "deaths from covid".
I don't know what the right answer is. But I do think that I personally am ready to "get back to normal" as much as possible.
Honest question: At what point do we give up? I'm in the Bay Area and it'll be coming up on 2 years soon of what basically amounts to a social shut down. -- Many social groups are just not getting together anymore, including most of mine. -- Concerts, sporting events, parties of most sizes, crowded bars/clubs just seem off the table at this point. -- Masks for the majority of it, which makes gym going and working out…
> Concerts, sporting events, parties of most sizes, crowded bars/clubs Here in Chicago all of these things have been on the table since early summer, albeit masked. Omicron has shut things down again to an extent, but I doubt that'll last through January.
[RANT] At this point I've lost faith in my generation, my parents' generation, and everything in between and outside of that. I don't care what your degree says or does not say. I don't care about your credentials. I don't care about your politics. Everyone has been wrong. MY YOUNG CHILDREN SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CONTINUE WEARING MASKS AT SCHOOL WHEN THEY ARE VACCINATED. That is no way to grow up indeed.
On the other hand, not being able to interact with classmates during school-from-home last year... that had a big effect on their social lives. But now, they see and hang out with their friends (and frenemies) every day. There's a mask on their face -- not a big deal.
None of the people worried about "Omicron" could explain what the hell it is
What gives you that impression? Do you suggest the article should have started with a detailed explanation of what the Omicron variant is?
Honest question: At what point do we give up? I'm in the Bay Area and it'll be coming up on 2 years soon of what basically amounts to a social shut down. -- Many social groups are just not getting together anymore, including most of mine. -- Concerts, sporting events, parties of most sizes, crowded bars/clubs just seem off the table at this point. -- Masks for the majority of it, which makes gym going and working out…
All of these things have been happening and filled to capacity since June. It's time to go outside and not rely on your coworkers for social interaction.
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No, it doesn't matter when, a parent dying when a kid is 10 is no different than when the kid is 11. Let's not pretend people are avoiding covid for multiple years here, because statistically they aren't.
A parent catching covid after they are vaccinated and/or after there are better treatments is a parent far less likely to die. A parent catching covid with and without the hospitals currently being overrun is also a huge difference.
That said, I don't think schools are necessarily the problem. Parenting, and the ability to be proper parents, is the problem.
most parents don't have time to be parents. They're either working double jobs, which leaves little to no time for kids, or they're just putting kids in school to avoid parenting.
I feel like it's a two-way street here. I also think parents are puling kids out of school because they don't want kids to catch Covid, not because the parents _don't_ want to catch Covid. Good parents will do what's best for their kid, and I feel like many parents are trying to be good parents!
It doesn't help that parents are given bad information. There's no trustworthy source of information anymore, outside of your doctors, at least regarding health. But, doctors don't have time to tell every parent what they should / shouldn't do.
Eh, TLDR, the whole system is effed, and people are blaming the easiest targets.
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Please share some stats on long covid in kids. e.g. effects that persist more than a few months out that can be reasonably expected to be permanent Surely they exist if you're making a comment like this, right?
The research in kids is much sparser than in adults, but when I looked into this, I saw far smaller, more biased sample sizes than in adults, but very similar PET scans showing hypometabolism in kids brains as has been shown in adults. This first article popped up too discussing long covid in kids when I googled it just now. "Children with long covid" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ "Simila…
they asked kids 6-16, after having covid, if in the following 3 months they experienced muscle or joint aches, headaches, or several other things.
of course half the kids self report that. How many of them had growing pains? Stayed up too late and didn't hydrate enough? Etc. I don't think this study is anything to give much weight to
I wonder how all those kids with long covid will view decisions to physically disable them potentially for life so the state could force their parents to work. I wonder how kids mental health copes with the idea that adults will intentionally expose them and others to a deadly disease with no mitigations to make money.
After two years and 300,000,000 cases worldwide, don't we have enough data by now to know that Covid isn't a major health risk for children?