Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

> Cue wild speculation and theories.

There is uncertainty in many areas of life, but this seems like one thing we don’t have to speculate about. We will not only have definitive data [1] within a couple years, but also annual [2] and weekly [3] provisional data much sooner.

[1]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

[2]: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

[3]: https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Provisional-Counts-of-Death...

When we say "overdoses", doesn't it sound like the person's fault, when it was probably that they were sold a poisoned/cut batch? I wonder how many "overdoses" would have been avoided if you could buy drugs at a pharmacy.

You are confusing your data badly.

Each of your references are saying completely different things.

1) non-covid excess mortality

2) mortality rate between those vaxxed and not vaxxed.

3) Reteurs was not 'debunking' point 2 or point 1. They are 'debunking' crap statements on Joe Rogan Podcast about the absollute numbers of those dying from COVID in general.

Alex Berenson is terribly misrepresenting information.

So when you say "That's a Fact" - you don't even seem to be sure what facts you're referring to, and they are obviously taken out of context, at face value.

A)

For point 3, the Reuters debunking of 'Most of the COVID deaths are those vaccinated' (Alex Berenson on Joe Rogan Podcast misinformation).

Suppose 100% of the citizens of the UK are vaccinated.

The vaxx is good, but not perfect - so some will die.

Are you going to run around saying '100% of those dying were vaccinated - therefore the vaxx is crap'.

That would be 'a fact' i.e. '100% of deaths are those who are vaccinated'.

But how helpful is that fact? It's not.

It'd be like saying '99% of those dying from car accidents were wearing seatbelts, therefore seat-belts are dangerous'

B)

Data point 2, which shows that 'Vaxxed people aged 10-59 are dying at 2x the rate those unvaxxed' - is also misleading.

(FYI they are talking about 'death rates' not absolute deaths, which is why it's different than the Joe Rogan Podcast misinformation.)

The likelihood of someone being vaccinated goes up dramatically with their likelihood of dying from COVID.

59-year-olds are vaxxed at a much higher rate than 10 or 20 year olds.

Especially those with underlying conditions.

And it's going to be overwhelmingly people in those situations that die from COVID.

Here's an analogy:

People aged 50+ and those 30+ with underlying conditions are going for a 'dangerous car ride'.

Everyone else is going for a 'safe car ride'.

Everyone is asked to wear their seatbelts.

Some people, particularly those going on the 'safe car ride' - are not wearing seatbelts.

As a result: all the 'big crashes' are in the 'dangerous car-ride' cohort.

That means almost all of the deaths will be among those who are wearing seatbelts, because, well, they were going on a 'dangerous car ride'.

The kids who didn't bother to wear seatbelts, were mostly going on the 'safe ride' and there were not many accidents at all.

If we popularized the notion of 'People with seatbelts more likely to die' - it would be totally misleading, because people would come to believe that 'Seatbelts Kill You' - when, the total opposite is true - seatbelts save lives.

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People that are smart enough to know the difference, and continue to propagate it, are deliberately misleading people.

People that aren't bright enough (or don't have the time) to spot the difference ... shouldn't be propagating information.

Well, actually what I do almost always is click reject all on the GDPR ones, then tab over to the legitimate interest tab and object to all of that too. I can't speak for the behaviours of others.

If you have a real legitimate interest, you don't need my consent, so I feel entirely justified in objecting to their fake-ass "legitimate interest" (i.e. please let us do what we want).

I did not mis-read your comment, it was a continuation of the commentary on how mandated WFH and government-enforced isolation has essentially just moved deaths from column A to column B over the long run.

people are actually closer than ever to their family (or house-mates) due to COVID

Yes, this is the perception for many people who have family or housemates. In the same way the rich have gotten richer, the socially connected have become more socially connected, while the millions who already struggled with disconnection or loneliness have become even more strained at the behest of numerous politicians who mandate their "rules for thee and not for me" under the new anxiety-laced normal.