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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by netizen-936824 »

zo1 wrote: post #86
netizen-936824 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the quoted source is literally making the comparison, which I am saying is incorrect because his data is biased. Please reread the piece I quoted to see the comparison >that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64”

You're being oddly pedanti? He could mean any number of things with that mention of elderly people.

Because he is making claims of fact based on his available data. I am saying the statement is incorrect

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by benlivengood »

jb1991 wrote: post #76
k2enemy wrote: post #6

I'm actually surprised it is not higher. For 40-64 year old in the US, the annual chance of death is about half a percent (before covid) so a 40% increase is still a very low mortality rate. https://hdpulse.nimhd.nih.gov/data/deathrates/index.php?stat...

I’m surprised it is as high as you claim! You’re saying that for that age group, in a given year, the chances are 1 in 200 of dying? That seems like pretty bad odds on something that is literally life and death.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html has the actuarial table by age, which is indeed a base rate above 0.002 from age 46 onward.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by austinkhale »

bsza wrote: post #79
austinkhale wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2020 and 2021 both saw a sharp rise in fentanyl seizures at the border. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/fentanyl-seizur...

You should remove markdown syntax from that link, it messes it up.

Thank you. Done.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by toss1 »

k2enemy wrote: post #6

I'm actually surprised it is not higher. For 40-64 year old in the US, the annual chance of death is about half a percent (before covid) so a 40% increase is still a very low mortality rate. https://hdpulse.nimhd.nih.gov/data/deathrates/index.php?stat...

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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by netizen-936824 »

austinkhale wrote: post #88
netizen-936824 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am saying that comparison is wrong, because he is missing data for the age group that he is comparing against.

I believe where you are interpreting it one way and the rest of us are interpreting it another is perhaps due to missing the quotation marks. ...deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18... Davidson, the CEO in question, directly said "huge, huge numbers" and "primarily working-age people 18..." in his address. However the author of…

If that is true, them this changes the meaning of the quotes. In my opinion this is just as bad because the entire article centers around these claims and she is adding claims that her source did not make.

Horrible reporting

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by nerdbaggy »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #57
andrewclunn wrote: post #12

> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319." So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have de…

Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.

Correct!

“ The synthetic and highly addictive drug has claimed more lives than COVID-19, auto crashes, gun violence, cancer and suicide in the year 2020.”

https://www.abc12.com/news/fentanyl-number-one-cause-of-deat...

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by austinkhale »

jfim wrote: post #67
austinkhale wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fentanyl, P2P meth, and the world being turned upside down all at the same time was really a bad combo.

> P2P meth For those confused by the P2P acronym as I was, it's apparently a synthesis route that was developed in response to the crackdowns on OTC ephedrine products. It's apparently a lot more pure than the older stuff, at least according to https://dynomight.net/p2p-meth/

The Atlantic wrote a really good deep dive piece into the differences recently. Highly recommend reading through it. There are a lot of unknowns about the long term consequences. Anecdotally, people close to me in the mental health industry are really distraught about it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new...

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by zo1 »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #91
zo1 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being oddly pedanti? He could mean any number of things with that mention of elderly people.

Because he is making claims of fact based on his available data. I am saying the statement is incorrect

He also, in the article, mentions that he is looking at other companies in the market. "We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica".

Anywho without more info about what access to data he is making his observations on, we're just speculating. Definitely can't say he is factually wrong with the vague and open bits of info from the article. It's just quotes that could mean almost anything.

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