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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by wayoutthere »

austinkhale wrote: post #37
whatever1 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fentanyl factor did not start in March of 2020.

2020 and 2021 both saw a sharp rise in fentanyl seizures at the border. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/fentanyl-seizur...

That’s simply because fentanyl is cheap enough that the drug syndicates in the golden triangle are flooding the market with it. It’s so cheap to produce in industrial quantities using perfectly legal, easily acquired industrial chemicals that they really don’t care how many shipments get seized because a small amount can be cut into a whole lot of sellable product, so they don’t try as hard to smuggle it in.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by notreallyserio »

netizen-936824 wrote: post #51
maxerickson wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a literary construction, emphasizing that the 40% increase is not an observation about elderly people. It's not intended to be taken alone as a statement about the elderly.

He is making a statement on his data and saying that elderly aren't dying at the same rate. How is it possible to take that any way besides literally?

I dunno what the disconnect is but you may be the only one struggling with the meaning behind the words. I don't see him referring to the death rate of people outside 18-64 at all.

You could say his information is biased because it is limited to folks that have insurance through his company, but he's up front about that.

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Post by yissp »

kenferry wrote: post #23
omosubi wrote: post #5

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Your comment made me interested to see what happened to the suicide rate. For 2020 it was down a touch. https://www.statnews.com/2021/11/16/the-pandemic-didnt-incre...

On the other hand, overdose deaths were up significantly, which I think would also be fair to categorize as "deaths of despair" [1].

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2021/...

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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gbronner wrote: post #27
jliptzin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also this is a $100 billion company that is private and with only 2400 employees? Something doesn’t smell right.

Life insurance is mostly a passthrough from the living to the families of the dead Most people never use the product.

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Post by TRossi »

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”

This sounds very strange indeed, I'd like to see the numbers. For instance Euromomo https://www.euromomo.eu collects the statistics about death rates, here is a plot for the Italian death rate and you can see the mortality spikes with the covid waves, but those are quite specific for the elderly https://imgur.com/a/8cUdNcb

It sounds very strange that the death spike is "over" 3 sigma, which should mean over 3 standard deviations, which is really unbelievable, to me this looks like an artefact of some sort

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Post by jb1991 »

k2enemy wrote: post #6

I'm actually surprised it is not higher. For 40-64 year old in the US, the annual chance of death is about half a percent (before covid) so a 40% increase is still a very low mortality rate. https://hdpulse.nimhd.nih.gov/data/deathrates/index.php?stat...

I’m surprised it is as high as you claim! You’re saying that for that age group, in a given year, the chances are 1 in 200 of dying? That seems like pretty bad odds on something that is literally life and death.

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #57
andrewclunn wrote: post #12

> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319." So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have de…

Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.

All of the non-COVID deaths I’ve heard of among younger people (Working from home can remove a lot of the accountability that keeps addicts in check. When your coworkers can’t see you, it’s much easier to be inebriated or otherwise suffering from addiction-related issues without feeling social pressure to correct it.

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ganoushoreilly wrote: post #57
andrewclunn wrote: post #12

> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319." So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have de…

Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.

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Post by bsza »

austinkhale wrote: post #37
whatever1 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fentanyl factor did not start in March of 2020.

2020 and 2021 both saw a sharp rise in fentanyl seizures at the border. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/fentanyl-seizur...

You should remove markdown syntax from that link, it messes it up.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by BillyTheKing »

I feel like article like this one are commonly used by the anti-vaccine community. They point to those ominous, rising death numbers and understand them as evidence for the dangers of mRNA vaccines. It would therefore (among other reasons) be helpful to understand where exactly that rise in numbers comes from, is it vaccines (which I don't think, else we'd be seeing a similar spike in, say, Europe)? Or is it being caused by other factors, such as fetanyl?
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