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Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by YPPH »

kortilla wrote: post #330
mmaunder wrote: post #40

Setting autopilot immediately on takeoff is very tempting because it massively reduces workload vs hand flying during a critical flight stage (high workload). So there’s a strong temptation to do this. But if you miss a few checklist items and don’t fully understand the systems, this is the result. The numbers seem to indicate they didn’t immediately recover the situation either I.e immediately switch to hand flying…

This wasn’t an autopilot problem. The problem occurred while still in takeoff roll.

>This wasn’t an autopilot problem. The problem occurred while still in takeoff roll.

Just an amateur here, I could be wrong.

It is true that according to the article, autopilot was not engaged and the pilot was following the flight director during the take off roll. However, had the pilots obtained positive climb, and satisfied autopilot activation requirements, and turned it on, wouldn't it be catastrophic if the altitude had not been set properly? [0]

[0] See, eg, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46137445

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by gspr »

ricardobayes wrote: post #416
PKop wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why the mass delusion propagated by Elon that Tesla's have full self driving is terrifying, and why "self driving" in general is a sinister lie that endangers the public.

After working in the industry, I can safely say self-driving is a massively profitable lie. It can work in limited instances, but I don't think we'll have full self driving aka level 5 in urban environments until infrastructure changes. You simply need 5G/V2X for that. Just relying on cameras will not work. On that page, I have my concerns about EVs in general, who knows what the long-term health effects are for sitt…

> On that page, I have my concerns about EVs in general, who knows what the long-term health effects are for sitting on top of a HV battery and being surrounded by that electro-smog.

Say what? Is this some kind of industry joke that I'm not getting?

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by jbverschoor »

gambiting wrote: post #415
dheera wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention the GPS doesn't do half the things I want it to do. "OK Google zoom in the map by 2X" nope "OK Google don't hide all the businesses while on navigation mode" nope "OK Google show all street labels don't hide them from me" nope "OK Google rotate the map to the right 30 degrees for 5 seconds" nope "OK Google show me satellite maps instead" nope "OK Google pause notifications from Facebook while driving"…

I just disabled Google assistant and all of its functions, it's beyond useless and probably the most frustrating thing I have ever used on my phone. And I don't mean just the voice controls, but all the "helpful" tips and suggestions are just bad and I can't stand them.

siri's worse than google's voice system... Siri understands what I'm saying, and then CHANGES the correct words into something stupid.

I just risk a fine and use my hands for a short moment instead of spending 2 minutes being distracted by siri.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by hoppla »

u801e wrote: post #347
PKop wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly why the mass delusion propagated by Elon that Tesla's have full self driving is terrifying, and why "self driving" in general is a sinister lie that endangers the public.

The premise behind self driving cars that can handle most situations themselves relies on the assumption that a human operator is paying attention and can take over in situations the computer can't handle. I'm not a pilot, but it's likely that assumption can hold while flying at cruising altitude, but not so much when driving in various inconsistent road and traffic conditions.

I almost crashed into a tesla on the highway when I changed lane right behind a Tesla. The Tesla was going much faster than me, and when I changed to its lane a bit too close, it started breaking for no reason, forcing me to jump on the brakes as well. I do not believe it was the driver, but the automatic brake assist that did not like me coming in too close…

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by homami »

deepGem wrote: post #339
t0mas88 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't, because their working conditions are terrible compared to those other airlines. Nobody with thousands of hours of jet time would ever switch from a US or EU legacy carrier to someone like Emirates.

This is pretty sad. Emirates, for all their glory doesn't pay their pilots well. I mean, what's the point in spending on stuff like fancy first class seats and all that without paying pilots well. True irony. Fanciest and the most comfortable airline for the passengers, the exact opposite for the pilots.

I've been a frequent flyer of Emirates for the past ~ six years. From my perspective, the airline suddenly changed about three years ago. The quality of their service dropped and still every time that I take an EK flight, I notice something else is missing from the service. Flying Emirates does not have any glory anymore.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by ricardobayes »

gspr wrote: post #422
ricardobayes wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After working in the industry, I can safely say self-driving is a massively profitable lie. It can work in limited instances, but I don't think we'll have full self driving aka level 5 in urban environments until infrastructure changes. You simply need 5G/V2X for that. Just relying on cameras will not work. On that page, I have my concerns about EVs in general, who knows what the long-term health effects are for sitt…

> On that page, I have my concerns about EVs in general, who knows what the long-term health effects are for sitting on top of a HV battery and being surrounded by that electro-smog. Say what? Is this some kind of industry joke that I'm not getting?

All I'm saying is there's a possibility of discovering the power electronics affecting us in an adverse way. Similarly how we thought lead, asbesthos, radium were harmless at first.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by rhn_mk1 »

ricardobayes wrote: post #426
gspr wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On that page, I have my concerns about EVs in general, who knows what the long-term health effects are for sitting on top of a HV battery and being surrounded by that electro-smog. Say what? Is this some kind of industry joke that I'm not getting?

All I'm saying is there's a possibility of discovering the power electronics affecting us in an adverse way. Similarly how we thought lead, asbesthos, radium were harmless at first.

Lead is a bad example, unless you mean long forgotten times. Even Romans knew:

> The Romans were aware that lead could cause serious health problems

https://archive.epa.gov/epa/aboutepa/lead-poisoning-historic...

Asbestos, likewise, was being used 80 years after the discovery of ill effects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asbestos_disease_medic...

Radium's danger was known 2 years after its discovery according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium#Hazards

I think your examples support the thesis that we're actually decent at discovering harmful effects, but we don't mind them.

But they don't support the thesis that we might find something unpleasant about power electronics that we don't yet know about.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by GekkePrutser »

nate_meurer wrote: post #386
GekkePrutser wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes about the airbus but the problem there is also that there is no feedback, so the second pilot can't feel what the other one is doing. But in that case (I think you mean AF447) there was a lot more going on with confusing warning indications. They did however fly a perfectly functioning aircraft straight into the sea.

It wasn't quite perfectly functioning. The pitot tubes had frozen, depriving the crew of reliable airspeed information.

That's true, I just meant that there was nothing technical stopping it from remaining airborne. But I should have said that.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by rurban »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #291
stereo wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're talking about Dubai, which is probably one of the brightest places in the world at night.

It’s a very narrow city on the coast and you take off towards the water. It’ll get dark pretty fast.

If you look at the map, you'll notice that the plane was at 60m altitude in Downtown Dubai, at overspeed (600km/h) with highly lit skyscrapers of 200m left and right of you. Almost another 9/11. You cannot make that up even in desaster movies.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by dd36 »

ricardobayes wrote: post #426
gspr wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On that page, I have my concerns about EVs in general, who knows what the long-term health effects are for sitting on top of a HV battery and being surrounded by that electro-smog. Say what? Is this some kind of industry joke that I'm not getting?

All I'm saying is there's a possibility of discovering the power electronics affecting us in an adverse way. Similarly how we thought lead, asbesthos, radium were harmless at first.

Worse than inhaled gasoline and diesel exhaust? Doubtful em radiation is worse than particulate matter.
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