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Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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It's not politics preventing nuclear power it's the eye watering cost. Unless you count getting taxpayers to shoulder the cost as politics.

solar panels killed more people in their short history, than nuclear power plants in their much longer history. if you count roof installers dying/getting injured on the job. do they count or we can just discount them?

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Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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Nuclear power is an amazing energy source. It doesn’t look like we’ll ever get beyond the politics that would make small scale It’s really a shame.

If the options you're talking about ever get cheap, sure, they'll take over.

Ever wondered why solar is exploding? Low price.

Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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post #22

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It is amazing. But two major incidents within 30 years time range are not so amazing. When we continue in that rate we will have a serious problem. And with aging reactors and instability everywhere it does not look good.

One incident caused by a natural disaster that would never happen in a European country like Germany, the other caused by mismanagement and frankly jaw droppingly pigheaded incompetence which would also never happen in a country like Germany. Edit: in response to the large number of people bringing up BER and other infrastructure failures in Germany: yes, BER and others may have been bad, but a completely different k…

> jaw droppingly pigheaded incompetence which would also never happen in a country like Germany.

Hahaha! Haha! Ha. #sad

Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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post #64

Nuclear power is an amazing energy source. It doesn’t look like we’ll ever get beyond the politics that would make small scale It’s really a shame.

It's not politics preventing nuclear power it's the eye watering cost. Unless you count getting taxpayers to shoulder the cost as politics.

It 100% is politics. For example in the US, our government is incapable of doing anything on a time scale of longer than 4-8 years because the party in power shifts and undoes everything the other party did during that time. Nuclear power is inherently authoritarian because it works best under unchanging centralized governments that can plan out a 30 year program without interference from other parties.

Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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post #25

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One incident caused by a natural disaster that would never happen in a European country like Germany, the other caused by mismanagement and frankly jaw droppingly pigheaded incompetence which would also never happen in a country like Germany. Edit: in response to the large number of people bringing up BER and other infrastructure failures in Germany: yes, BER and others may have been bad, but a completely different k…

This summer a large part of germany was completely flooded. This was a natural disaster, which might happen at higher frequencies nowadays. The alarming systems in place competely failed and around 200 people drowned in Germany. There are so many things which could happen and countries like Germany are not prepared for.

Which is exactly why geologists do surveying before they build a nuclear power plant...

Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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post #25
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is amazing. But two major incidents within 30 years time range are not so amazing. When we continue in that rate we will have a serious problem. And with aging reactors and instability everywhere it does not look good.

One incident caused by a natural disaster that would never happen in a European country like Germany, the other caused by mismanagement and frankly jaw droppingly pigheaded incompetence which would also never happen in a country like Germany. Edit: in response to the large number of people bringing up BER and other infrastructure failures in Germany: yes, BER and others may have been bad, but a completely different k…

>the other caused by mismanagement and frankly jaw droppingly pigheaded incompetence which would also never happen in a country like Germany.

Are you sure? One example:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-48527308

>BER has become for Germany not a new source of pride but a symbol of engineering catastrophe. It's what top global infrastructure expert Bent Flyvbjerg calls a "national trauma" and an ideal way "to learn how not to do things".

Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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Mortality from existing fossil fuels is significantly worse (just from production and ignoring all the pollutants in the air and even ignoring that coal plants regularly emit more radiation into the air than have ever died from nuclear power generation). In fact, mortality from nuclear power generation is closer to solar and wind. Yes the incidents are scary and news grabbing but that’s it. The actual data is that it…

> Mortality from existing fossil fuels is significantly worse That may very well be true but it's completely irrelevant for future choices. Not building more nuclear plants doesn't mean you'll be building more fossil fuel plants instead. EDIT: For all the downvoters, see the fourth chart (Gross power production in Germany 1990-2021, by source (non-stacked)) on https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energ…

> Not building more nuclear plants doesn't mean you'll be building more fossil fuel plants instead.

Uhh… Yes it does. The data shows that. An increased reliance on renewables means a large increase in reliance on LNG.

Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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Nuclear power is an amazing energy source. It doesn’t look like we’ll ever get beyond the politics that would make small scale It’s really a shame.

more money to be made by politicians taking bribes from China who produces 90% of the worlds solar panels and windmills. I'm sure sending billions to China won't have any long term negative effects, definitely nothing negative about being dependent on a foreign country to create your energy supply

Windmills installed all over Germany are mostly German and some Danish and Swedish production. Afaik there are no gridscale windmill exports from China, though there are small ones (up to about 40KW). If you do have a pointer to a gridscale Chinese machine that has been installed in Europe I'd love to hear about it, especially if it has been operating for a while and maintenance records can be reviewed for comparison purposes.

Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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it's insanely costly _to build bring a plant online initially_ once you're up and running, it's cheap as dirt, just takes decades to pay off the initial investment

10MW is insanely costly, regardless. That's so small that it isn't enough to justify even the overhead of running a plant. 1GW or so is the smallest size where it starts to make sense to design a nuclear plant that has a hope of delivering electricity at a price that matches the market (and even then: usually only by subtracting decommissioning and construction costs from the equation).

for the plants that are being decomissioned, those costs had already been paid off! that's the whole point; the ongoing costs for these plants were low, so it is the height of derangement to shut them down at the very moment germany needs reliable low-carbon locally-sourced energy. decomissioning them is monumentally expensive and amounts to civilization-scale vandalism.

Re: Germany shuts down half of its remaining nuclear plants

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Nuclear power is an amazing energy source. It doesn’t look like we’ll ever get beyond the politics that would make small scale It’s really a shame.

If the options you're talking about ever get cheap, sure, they'll take over. Ever wondered why solar is exploding? Low price.

But it needed a huge amount of subsidies to keep the money flowing long enough until the technology caught up to bring the price down.
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