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Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective in controlled study

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Re: Experimental depression treatment is nearly 80% effective in controlled study

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If you haven't had results from medication, there are a couple of new drugs on the market now that are indicated for treatment resistant depression.

Have any details? I have a close friend with treatment resistant depression.

There's two SSRI-like drugs called vilazodone and vortioxetine that are indicated for it, as is esketamine.

There are also a few antipsychotic-like drugs that are used at low doses for antidepressant effects along with other antidepressants, but I'm not sure if the newer ones are indicated for depression, or if the newer ones are just reformulations of existing medications. It looks like there's a newer olanzapine combination on the market.

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If you haven't had results from medication, there are a couple of new drugs on the market now that are indicated for treatment resistant depression.

any examples i can look up?

Check out my reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29746088

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While depression can certainly be caused by chemical imbalance and not because of how your unconscious mind impacts/limits your experience of life, I took the approach that exploring my subconscious through therapy was the way to get out. For me it worked very well and I think the journey is an amazing one to go on. Building from the ground up and understanding all the foundations within. I always wonder about treatm…

Great Post, thank you for sharing. I do take issue with the commonly parroted claim that depression can be a chemical imbalance. It's a notion arising from pharma marketing psyops, and is largely without utility. It even risks being an antipattern. The few pros include separating responsibility and thus alleviating some guilt, which often coexists with depression, and annoying spiritualists. Tell me if I missed any.…

I agree with you that there is definitely some serious obfuscation around the chemical imbalance aspect of the biological theory approach to mental disorder. If you do any research into the history of anti-depressants it isn't hard to uncover that there has been a lot of questionable science that forms the foundation of the over prescribing of medications for mental disorder that is currently the industry norm.

I spent years suffering with really severe symptoms and I was so desperate for relief I tried all sorts of treatments. The main thing I really learned during that time is that approaching mental health requires a holistic approach, but even armed with that knowledge my life was still seriously impacted by my mental disorder. For me, I had spent years in talk therapy and different behavioral therapies. I had also tried various medications which did not help me and/or had side effects that were unbearable long term. I was on lamictal for a while which seemed to help but I also stopped seeing improvements and eventually that was also not good enough and my function declined. I also tried meditation, spiritualism, self medication, yoga, exercise, different diets, journaling. I took class after class on psychology and I instituted all sorts of different systems to try to fix myself. My therapist told me over and over that I was doing the work but that the improvements we were seeing weren't what she would expect, then I was referred to TMS. Once again, I was desperate and I was willing to do or try pretty much anything because I was a wreck of a person that was spiraling dangerously. So I went, and for the first time about three weeks in... I started to see a small difference. It changed my life, and I'm still so much better. The thing about how well it worked for me though is this: the idea of TMS is that it targets the part of your brain that is damaged by depression. Whatever this means- I've come to imagine it as neurons that have formed hard wired patterns of depression that are nearly impossible to rewire through sheer force of will. So chemical imbalance- probably (even demonstrably)false. Physical patterns in the brain formed while you suffered from depression being very difficult to rewire without outer interference? Is that possible? I'm mostly thinking out loud and I don't really expect someone to just have the answer but I really want to know and it's something I wonder about constantly.

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I've had depression for 20+ years and the best way I would describe it is like this: Think of that little "kick" you get when you think of something you want to do. Maybe you like eating ice cream, maybe you like playing tennis, whatever it is... that feeling, that subconscious little mental boost that gets you up off your ass, and moving... is completely absent in the depressed mind. That spark that initiates and su…

Does that apply to things you 'have' to do as well? I don't really like shopping for groceries, but I'd rather do that, than order take out that's expensive and probably not very healthy. If I'm going to cook something, I'd rather cook something with a different taste than eat pasta again. I don't really want to do laundry, but I do want to have clean clothes that don't smell. If I could afford to do so I wouldn't wo…

I just wanted to follow up on this as well. I also have my groceries delivered because grocery shopping is incredibly overwhelming for me and I suffer from several mental disorders. Something that I have learned is part of learning to live with mental disorder is giving yourself the grace that even if you can force yourself to do something that is very hard on you it is totally valid to find a hack to help you out(like getting your groceries delivered). This might sound like a no brainer for a neurotypical person but allowing myself access to tools to alleviate stress was seriously difficult for a long time because I felt like to be a "healthy" person I had to force myself to do things for myself that I thought "normal" people did. I forced myself to do things that were actively destructive to my mental wellness in part as punishment to myself for not being neurotypical.

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I was under impression that an alcohol causes a depression.

That's a massive oversimplification which came out of non-scientific 12 step literature and is simply not true in many situations. I have on many occasions beaten back total anhedonia and a desire to die with a few drinks. It's not an optimal solution obviously, but when your options are limited it is sometimes quite preferable to not drinking.

>I have on many occasions beaten back total anhedonia and a desire to die with a few drinks. It's not an optimal solution obviously, but when your options are limited it is sometimes quite preferable to not drinking

As someone who has suffered major depression, I agree totally that recreational drug use can be helpful in managing some symptoms of mental disorder. I do however feel like moderation is a very important aspect of this which can be harder for folks when they are already feeling down

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Hey! I didn't under go SAINT TMS specifically, but I have undergone TMS therapy. Reading this article I'm not sure how different what I received actually is compared to SAINT, but TMS absolutely changed my life. I was referred to TMS after a rash of different medications and years of talk therapy fell short on relieving the worst of my symptoms. Many of the benefits the patients in this article discuss are ones I rec…

I did it too. Didn't seem to help me unfortunately. Really would like to try SAINT when it's approved.

I'm sorry it didn't help you <3. I hope you get the chance to try SAINT!

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OK, in too much simplified version: you not being content with the state of things may not necessarily be your fault - it may be the things fault. Of course you can change yourself, all problems are within you, they are created by your optimization function. Apocalypse is not a problem unless you don't want it to happen. Without people who don't make themself content with the state of things right now it's not a nice…

I don't think it's ever the thing's fault. If you're actually depressed about not solving a really challenging problem, this results from a process that works differently in people who aren't susceptible to depression. For instance, maybe you get depressed because you thought you could solve it much more quickly, and you're realizing your self-assessment is entirely wrong, and this starts negative thought spirals tha…

It is never the thing fault. But it may be the thing fault given your optimization function.

Imagine a kid drowning in front of you (that somewhat happens but on the other side of the world so you can't see directly). You can be unhappy about it, but that's within you. If you don't care about the kid you have no reason to be upset.

Most probably would agree that maybe doing something to yourself to make you less upset about the kid drowning is not optimal. Reality is somewhere between this and somebody living a perfect life and wanting to kill himself.

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Very interesting. And there are tDCS home kits for $149, e.g. https://apexdevice.net/shop/apex-type-a-4ma-std/ . This is low cost enough that I'm willing to give it a shot. Worst case, I end up with a decent DC current source that I'm sure I can find a use for at some point.

Okay, sounds like some people trying this at home have had seriously bad side effects. So will definitely have to do some reading before giving this a shot.

How so? tDCS is considered very safe. Here is a good review: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5007190/

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I've had depression for 20+ years and the best way I would describe it is like this: Think of that little "kick" you get when you think of something you want to do. Maybe you like eating ice cream, maybe you like playing tennis, whatever it is... that feeling, that subconscious little mental boost that gets you up off your ass, and moving... is completely absent in the depressed mind. That spark that initiates and su…

It took me a while to realize that most people don't consider suicide as one of a few strategies to deal with everyday problems. Thought process: I don't want to do my homework. I could (A) get up and do it, or (B) kill myself. Happily, I've learned to dissociate myself from the part of my consciousness that thinks that way.

I'm dealing with something like this too. It's come up a lot while watching shows where some protagonist's friend turns psychotic and they suddenly must fight to survive. I keep thinking to myself, "just give up and let them kill you, it will be better that way!" I can't quite pinpoint the theme that seems to permeate all of these and how much of it is my own perspective versus some specific genre. I think of it a lot while watching The Future Diary, and also Higurashi: When They Cry.
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