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Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by mym1990 »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #134
mym1990 wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does mean that the quality is acceptable enough to the buyer at that price, and that says a lot.

Again, just because people are willing to pay a price for a product that works doesn't automatically mean they're going to get one that does, which is why companies like Consumer Reports exist. They're in the business of ensuring that products that companies put out actually meet the standards they claim.

Which is why reviews are most often skewed towards negativity unless there is a clear incentive to leave it. People who have cars or products that work are going to go about their day, but the ones that have issues will ultimately find an outlet for their review. All this while reviews in general are becoming less and less trustworthy due to bots and whatever else is happening behind the scenes.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by FireBeyond »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #67
FireBeyond wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has bumped the price of their vehicles _at least_ three times this year, in some cases well over $10K in total, so it's not all that much different to "market adjustments". Not sure how a $5K refundable deposit is "obnoxious". Sure, it's less convenient than the Tesla deposit, but it wasn't like that money wasn't earmarked anyway. (And if you're in the market for a $50-75K vehicle and the difference between a c…

The manufacturer bumping the price due to demand and supply chain issues is one thing, dealers gouging is entirely different (pure profit for adding no value). Musk was entirely right that dealers would be an impediment to EV adoption. https://jalopnik.com/dealers-say-salespeople-still-arent-rea... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346108/some-dealerships... https://www.fastcompany.com/90294305/car-companies-put-i…

How is a manufacturer raising prices due to demand “adding value”, but doing it at the dealership is not?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by johnnyApplePRNG »

This comes just weeks after the CEO sold billions in TSLA stock to "pay taxes" when the market is in the middle of the largest bull run of all time..?

Highly suspicious imho.

(There's a very good chance that the ROI on any TSLA stock today will exceed the interest owed on 1 years worth of unpaid taxes... assuming you were not about to recall almost every car you've sold in the past year, that is.)

I am shocked at how bold this was.

Between Dec 21st (the date of TSLA filing this recall) and today, he's sold almost $3 Billion worth. Wow. That's insane.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by wumpus »

standardUser wrote: post #46
slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

One key difference is that for Tesla, 500k cars is a huge amount of the total cars it's sold in the last 5 years. More than a third. Has any automaker ever had a recall on such a huge proportion of their cars?

Only new automakers have a high % of production of a single model. I'm always surprised by how much hate new automakers get on a startup-oriented forum.

BTW the Takada airbag recall was 100% of Teslas.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by onphonenow »

MBCook wrote: post #95
onphonenow wrote: post #74

The rear camera MAY fail issue seems pretty benign. When it fails go get it fixed? Or is that no longer a permitted approach. These recalls used to be for things major. Now we are getting a recall over what would be a warranty claim? Can they not just extend warranty coverage in this year to something like 10 years?

Backup cameras are considered required safety equipment, I assume, since they’ve been required for years. So I don’t think Tesla has any choice in this. The much smaller Model S recall seems like the bigger deal to me. Obviously having the frunk open while you’re driving would be pretty bad.

Yes, and my side mirror is required safety equipment. When it is knocked off by an idiot, I go get it repaired.

The backup cameras are working in these cars they are recalling.

If it breaks, go get it fixed under warranty.

I've done this with headlight bulbs by the way, and headlights are required safety equipment (potentially as important as the backup camera).

I've also had to do this with a windshield wiper, also potentially a key piece of equipment (I had to drive with my head out the window once in snow/rain).

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by wumpus »

nextstep wrote: post #94

This is about half of all Teslas ever sold in the US https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-us-sales-figures/

Yep. Tesla is a new automaker, and this was the first high-volume model for Tesla.

BTW the Takada airbag recall was 100% of Teslas.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by phkahler »

Animats wrote: post #88

Since 1966, hood latches are required to be redundant in US vehicles. That's why, when you pop the hood, it just opens a bit, and then you have to go and release a hook or something from the front. This is because, in 1950s cars, hoods flying up suddenly were a thing. Often followed by a crash. Double latches are required by 47 CFR 571. "A front opening hood which, in any open position, partially or completely obstru…

>> In Teslas, the hood covers a storage space, and both both the primary and secondary latch are electrically controlled. It's not some big dumb spring-loaded hook. So it's higher risk for failure.

Yeah, I interviewed at a company that had a frunk module in development. I was initially puzzled as to why they wanted the full ASIL treatment for a basic actuator until it hit me that failure in this case means the hood can open while driving. I know its cool to have auto open and close on everything, but IMHO just leave the 2nd big dumb latch in the front.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by wumpus »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #184
pedalpete wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) He announced the sales would happen months ago. 2) He had (I believe) stated the sales were to cover tax costs in California 3) He is still net increased his number of shares over the last year due to his compensation package.

Does his increase in number of shares actually mean anything? I assume that, like most stock compensation, these shares are newly issued shares, diluting the value of existing shares. That would mean he still has a lower stake, regardless of number of shares, no? I may be misunderstanding something.

The dilution happened when the options pool was expanded years ago.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by abdel_nasser »

deviantbit wrote: post #166
electrondood wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Bay Area city where I live, during rush hour I can regularly count 60+ Teslas just walking around my block. I haven't heard of one such incident.

You don't live in Texas heat either.

i have been an electric vehicle enthusiast and evangelist for more than a decade, well before anyone knew tesla or elon. i know everything about electric cars. i can state with total confidence that the hottest ambient temperature that a tesla might encounter would have precisely zero chance of causing the battery to overheat, let alone overheat to the point of creating thermal runaway.
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