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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by stonogo »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #112
matsemann wrote: post #62

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If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

A model 3 MSRP is $45k. A used one can be found for even less than that. Check your local car prices, b/c that is not really that expensive and certainly nowhere close to "rich" territory. A fully loaded F-150 is $78k. I would be shocked if you also said anyone driving an F-150 is by definition rich. Also, a cheap used car may be drastically less expensive to buy for most people, but they will ultimately pay thousand…

A BMW Gran Coupe 4 is also around $45k. These are luxury goods.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by mym1990 »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #35
ericmay wrote: post #12

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I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

> I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. High demand doesn't mean the product is quality. Fyre festival sold thousands of tickets, even though it was fundamentally fraudulent. Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again. Demand just means that people like the id…

It does mean that the quality is acceptable enough to the buyer at that price, and that says a lot.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by heavyset_go »

walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

> I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money on regular, basic maintenance for it.

Agreed. My criteria for a car now is that it has to have a large aftermarket for parts, and it needs to be serviceable by pretty much any mechanic. Corollas and similar cars fit that bill perfectly.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

mym1990 wrote: post #132
thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #35

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> I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. High demand doesn't mean the product is quality. Fyre festival sold thousands of tickets, even though it was fundamentally fraudulent. Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again. Demand just means that people like the id…

It does mean that the quality is acceptable enough to the buyer at that price, and that says a lot.

Again, just because people are willing to pay a price for a product that works doesn't automatically mean they're going to get one that does, which is why companies like Consumer Reports exist. They're in the business of ensuring that products that companies put out actually meet the standards they claim.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by martinesko36 »

nixass wrote: post #80
jonathankoren wrote: post #41

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That’s funny. I’d buy a Taycan but never a Model S.

Taycan and Tesla don't even fit to same sentence. Tesla is literally Lada in terms of build qualify comparing to any major car manufacturer.

Can you give out some examples here? I saw Tesla’s Model Y in person and the build quality seemed on par if not better than my 3-series.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by lotsofpulp »

404mm wrote: post #128

This headline makes it sound like “Park your car in the driveway tonight and it will drive itself to its nearest service point and returns back before 5am next day.” kind of event.

It is the same phrasing used when any automaker recalls vehicles.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by wumpus »

gnicholas wrote: post #103
FullyFunctional wrote: post #85

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Also, "recall" sounds like the cars have to physically move back to the factory. Reality: I took 10 sec to schedule a visit from a Mobile Technician who'll do the work in my driveway while I go on living my life. Big non-issue.

From what I hear, Tesla is notorious for repair delays. Even if it's not inconvenient to have a tech service your vehicle, presumably doing this nearly half a million times will make the repair backlog even longer.

What's your personal experience with Tesla mobile service?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by thr0wawayf00 »

jonas21 wrote: post #121
thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #35

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> I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. High demand doesn't mean the product is quality. Fyre festival sold thousands of tickets, even though it was fundamentally fraudulent. Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again. Demand just means that people like the id…

Unlike the Fyre festival or an unfinished video game, Teslas already exist. You can see them driving down the road. Maybe you know someone who owns one and can ask them about it. Even if you don't, there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla. By this point, you should know more or less what you're getting if you buy a Tesla, so that demand is presumably based on…

> there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla.

The whole point of this thread is criticizing a company, Consumer Reports, that does exactly this. The message I responded implied that high demand automatically means a quality product, while Consumer Reports is downgrading Tesla's rating.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by woodruffw »

whiskyant wrote: post #113
woodruffw wrote: post #21

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Consumers tend to rate higher satisfactions with "luxury" goods (i.e., goods at premium prices, regardless of material quality or value) than they do with non-luxury goods. It occurs to me that that bias affects Tesla's reception as well.

The model 3 and y is on that top 10 list as well, and they're not quite luxury goods.

I know very little about cars, but a cursory search shows that both the Model 3 and Model Y are about ~60% more expensive than the top-selling sedans and SUVs in the US. They're also both in the same rough ballpark as popular "luxury" car labels (Lincoln, BMW), so I think "luxury" is a fair descriptor.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by josephcsible »

ok123456 wrote: post #107
LanceJones wrote: post #10

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They also ranks first in customer satisfaction survey -- 4 years running: https://thedriven.io/2021/11/15/tesla-dominate-top-10-most-s...

That's pure survivorship bias. Everyone else who encounters major problems with their Tesla gets rid of it, and therefore wouldn't choose to buy their Tesla again because they don't have it anymore. People who do have one new enough not to have a major defect will overlook small issues with the build quality and other complaints that people have about Tesla, because they've bought into a luxury and lifestyle brand. W…

Why wouldn't that apply to every car brand?
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