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Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by misslibby »

deviantbit wrote: post #164
panick21_ wrote: post #162

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This seems like BS unless you just an extreme outlier among extreme. Tesla Quality problems were never with their battery or impact safety. In fact the rank best in class in pretty much ever safety rating in pretty much every country. I have been following Tesla for a long time and every single 'Tesla catches on fire for no reason' story turned out to be non-sense. A Tesla catching on fire 'spontaneously' would have…

Nope. Not BS. Sorry, you don't like it, but it is true. More Tesla's have caught fire than any other brand of vehicle in this Texas community. Google Fire Tesla Texas. Enjoy!

Well that doesn't actually turn up any results, except for that one incident that made the news, with the drivers in the backseat. And this article debunking the fire claims: https://cleantechnica.com/2021/12/08/its-extremely-rare-for-...

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by tibyat »

rconti wrote: post #161
m-ee wrote: post #7

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Rear view cameras are a required safety feature in the US now. As SUVs proliferated and pillars got thicker for crash safety cases of parents running over their toddlers increased.

Not just SUVs. The visibility out of the rear of my Model 3 is almost as bad as the rear of my BMW X5 SUV. The trunk is so high, you cannot see the headlights of a following passenger car until it's some distance behind. It's not just Tesla, visibility across all cars is getting worse over time, as manufacturers are pushed by crash test standards to improve performance in a crash against another vehicle or stationary…

So glad to come across your comment. This has been driving me mad when I've been on long road trips lately. As a driver of a "normal" sedan, it's amazing how few cars i can see around/through on the highway at this point. I was specifically noticing the model 3 and its raised rear window. It requires a much larger safe following distance when the only signal you get is the taillights of the guy in front of you, especially when they're the type of human who cant figure out how to leave a buffer so they tap the brakes for no reason every few seconds. And of course with an abnormally large space in front of you you'll get aggressive drivers moving around to fill in the spot, mostly the SUVs who can see over most, which means you get to try to see around them now.

it's a shame the trend (toward larger and larger cars) is so at odds with the environment. cars are already such a large and inefficient solution for what theyre used for 99.99% of the time, why keep making it worse?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ghaff »

wumpus wrote: post #117
ghaff wrote: post #36

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And some of us buy cars and keep them for over 10 years. Which isn't rare behavior.

My 2013 Model S is doing great. I had all of the usual first-year-car problems, since then it's been fine. No fit-and-finish problems, no rattles, paint doing well, and so on.

TBH, I'm not sure what those "usual first-year-car problems" are these days. That hasn't been my experience though that's admittedly a small sample size.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

Given that you can order the exact same car three times in a year and get three different configurations including missing components, that's not a surprise.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by wumpus »

ghaff wrote: post #173
wumpus wrote: post #117

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My 2013 Model S is doing great. I had all of the usual first-year-car problems, since then it's been fine. No fit-and-finish problems, no rattles, paint doing well, and so on.

TBH, I'm not sure what those "usual first-year-car problems" are these days. That hasn't been my experience though that's admittedly a small sample size.

I meant the first year Model S was built.

Plenty of people advise not buying the first year of any new model from any carmaker, because there are usually more problems than usual. Refreshes are safer.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by Dah00n »

panick21_ wrote: post #158
gnicholas wrote: post #116

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It's true that there are recalls all the time. The differences with Tesla are: • Tesla already has a service/repair backlog. This will make things worse for owners whose brand new cars leak when it rains, make odd noises, and have safety issues. • Other manufacturers have extensive dealer and third party repair networks. They can handle large recalls more easily/efficiently. • Other manufacturers have many more cars…

Tesla finances and number of EV produced have already proven everything that needed to be proven. Unless you want to argue this recall is gone have some massive impact on their finances its pretty much non issue. And arguing that would of course be nonsense.

>Tesla finances and number of EV produced have already proven everything that needed to be proven.

It reads like you mean this in a positive way. I see it as the exact opposite. Tesla have made very few cars unless you compare it to brands like Lamborghini or other speciality cars. VW EVs already outsell Tesla even though they are just ramping up. Tesla's finances is also almost completely based on non-car sales. If Tesla only had income from car sales it would go bankrupt in a few months.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ajross »

userbinator wrote: post #102

For affected Model 3 owners, Tesla has pledged to install a new cable harness and guide protector free of charge. Wiring harness flexing and chafing is a decades-old well-known problem with well-known solutions. I wonder what the people who designed that area are thinking now, when they were presumably trying to save costs? If Teslas' issues were specific to being EVs or otherwise new functionality specific to its ca…

Is this at all an abnormal issue? I've had cable run failures myself in other cars. It's a pretty routine thing, I think. It rises to the level of a recall here only because the device on the other end of the wire is the backup camera.

It's amazing the amount of attention the simple fact of "TESLA!" can bring to the most mundane and normal issues. It's... an inspection recall. People will just schedule a service visit on their phones and the Tesla folks will show up and check it. Is this really worthy of (at current count, I believe) three front page stories on HN?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by Dah00n »

panick21_ wrote: post #162
deviantbit wrote: post #48

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This seems like BS unless you just an extreme outlier among extreme. Tesla Quality problems were never with their battery or impact safety. In fact the rank best in class in pretty much ever safety rating in pretty much every country. I have been following Tesla for a long time and every single 'Tesla catches on fire for no reason' story turned out to be non-sense. A Tesla catching on fire 'spontaneously' would have…

>In fact the rank best in class in pretty much ever safety rating in pretty much every country.

That's not true. No NCAP ratings have Tesla at the best as far as I can see. There's even a Chinese/Israeli company releasing their very first car ever that beats Tesla in EuroNCAP ratings? It's not even in top ten as far as I can see. Strangely it seem to get better ratings in all tests in the US compared to elsewhere. Of it is corruption or a car made to beat a test instead of for real life safety I don't know but something stinks.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by GuB-42 »

rconti wrote: post #161
m-ee wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rear view cameras are a required safety feature in the US now. As SUVs proliferated and pillars got thicker for crash safety cases of parents running over their toddlers increased.

Not just SUVs. The visibility out of the rear of my Model 3 is almost as bad as the rear of my BMW X5 SUV. The trunk is so high, you cannot see the headlights of a following passenger car until it's some distance behind. It's not just Tesla, visibility across all cars is getting worse over time, as manufacturers are pushed by crash test standards to improve performance in a crash against another vehicle or stationary…

In Europe (Euro NCAP), crash test standards include tests against pedestrians and electronic assistance like ESP and emergency breaking, including against pedestrians. Standards are regularly updated to take new technologies, other road users, and potential loopholes into account.

Maybe it is different in the US, but most cars sold in the US are sold in Europe too.

Weight and visibility are still a problem, and electric cars and their big batteries make the weight problem worse, but it doesn't mean that crash test standards only cares about the car occupants, and handling is definitely considered.

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