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Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by wumpus »

matsemann wrote: post #62
LanceJones wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

This is where Hacker News is at its best: endless discussions about what the word "rich" means.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by bananabreakfast »

matsemann wrote: post #62
LanceJones wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

A model 3 MSRP is $45k. A used one can be found for even less than that.

Check your local car prices, b/c that is not really that expensive and certainly nowhere close to "rich" territory.

A fully loaded F-150 is $78k. I would be shocked if you also said anyone driving an F-150 is by definition rich.

Also, a cheap used car may be drastically less expensive to buy for most people, but they will ultimately pay thousands of dollars of maintenance, part replacements, fluid changes and gas which a Tesla really never has to deal with, ever. No one seems to talk about this.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by whiskyant »

woodruffw wrote: post #21
LanceJones wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also ranks first in customer satisfaction survey -- 4 years running: https://thedriven.io/2021/11/15/tesla-dominate-top-10-most-s...

Consumers tend to rate higher satisfactions with "luxury" goods (i.e., goods at premium prices, regardless of material quality or value) than they do with non-luxury goods. It occurs to me that that bias affects Tesla's reception as well.

The model 3 and y is on that top 10 list as well, and they're not quite luxury goods.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by FullyFunctional »

gnicholas wrote: post #103
FullyFunctional wrote: post #85

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Also, "recall" sounds like the cars have to physically move back to the factory. Reality: I took 10 sec to schedule a visit from a Mobile Technician who'll do the work in my driveway while I go on living my life. Big non-issue.

From what I hear, Tesla is notorious for repair delays. Even if it's not inconvenient to have a tech service your vehicle, presumably doing this nearly half a million times will make the repair backlog even longer.

Sample size of 1: my service happens 6 days from now (Bay area). From past experience, getting a slot in the service center can be .. ahem .. difficult, but getting a service call has never been an issue. I bet it's easier to scale the mobile service than building new service centers.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by whiskyant »

rsynnott wrote: post #104
ALittleLight wrote: post #63

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Presumably the survey includes other luxury cars.

I think Tesla would be the only all-premium vendor of significant size in the US market? And almost certainly the only one to sell a significant fraction of >100k cars.

The model 3 and y are on that list as well, and are closer to $50k.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by gnicholas »

slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

It's true that there are recalls all the time. The differences with Tesla are:

• Tesla already has a service/repair backlog. This will make things worse for owners whose brand new cars leak when it rains, make odd noises, and have safety issues.

• Other manufacturers have extensive dealer and third party repair networks. They can handle large recalls more easily/efficiently.

• Other manufacturers have many more cars on the road, from selling for decades before Tesla existed. Have there been any other recalls that covered the same percent of any other manufacturer's fleet? If so, I assume those recalls were considered a very big deal.

• Tesla is 'disrupting' the car manufacturing market and trying to prove that things can be done a different way. Critics have called out their QC failings. Each additional recall gives more credence to critics' claims.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by wumpus »

ghaff wrote: post #36
toomuchtodo wrote: post #15

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Have bought several Teslas over the last 3 years (S->X->Y). Quality improves each time I’ve bought one. Lots to complain about, still wouldn’t buy from another manufacturer.

And some of us buy cars and keep them for over 10 years. Which isn't rare behavior.

My 2013 Model S is doing great. I had all of the usual first-year-car problems, since then it's been fine. No fit-and-finish problems, no rattles, paint doing well, and so on.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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gnicholas wrote: post #103
FullyFunctional wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, "recall" sounds like the cars have to physically move back to the factory. Reality: I took 10 sec to schedule a visit from a Mobile Technician who'll do the work in my driveway while I go on living my life. Big non-issue.

From what I hear, Tesla is notorious for repair delays. Even if it's not inconvenient to have a tech service your vehicle, presumably doing this nearly half a million times will make the repair backlog even longer.

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by redtexture »

userbinator wrote: post #102

For affected Model 3 owners, Tesla has pledged to install a new cable harness and guide protector free of charge. Wiring harness flexing and chafing is a decades-old well-known problem with well-known solutions. I wonder what the people who designed that area are thinking now, when they were presumably trying to save costs? If Teslas' issues were specific to being EVs or otherwise new functionality specific to its ca…

Attempts to save money in manufacturing undermine solved or perfected approaches.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by [deleted] »

matsemann wrote: post #62
LanceJones wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

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