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Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by bumby »

woodruffw wrote: post #21
LanceJones wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also ranks first in customer satisfaction survey -- 4 years running: https://thedriven.io/2021/11/15/tesla-dominate-top-10-most-s...

Consumers tend to rate higher satisfactions with "luxury" goods (i.e., goods at premium prices, regardless of material quality or value) than they do with non-luxury goods. It occurs to me that that bias affects Tesla's reception as well.

I vaguely remember (or perhaps misremember) Mercedes doing a study that consumers respond less favorably to their cars when they are pierced below some threshold compared to the same cars when prices higher. There’s definitely some consumer cognitive bias effects around pricing

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by matsemann »

LanceJones wrote: post #26
kube-system wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This pattern is more of the norm than not for expensive high-tech cars. Rich people like nice stuff and are willing to pay maintenance and repair bills.

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ALittleLight »

woodruffw wrote: post #21
LanceJones wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also ranks first in customer satisfaction survey -- 4 years running: https://thedriven.io/2021/11/15/tesla-dominate-top-10-most-s...

Consumers tend to rate higher satisfactions with "luxury" goods (i.e., goods at premium prices, regardless of material quality or value) than they do with non-luxury goods. It occurs to me that that bias affects Tesla's reception as well.

Presumably the survey includes other luxury cars.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by slg »

lillecarl wrote: post #57
slg wrote: post #53

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>And it is upvoted through the roof because it is Tesla. That was my point so we agree.

Well yes, but you seem to think it's unfair treatment whereas I think It's perfectly reasonable to treat them differently if they are different(Which they are). So we disagree as well.

I never said it was unfair. People are projecting a lot onto my comments here.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by bumby »

LanceJones wrote: post #26
kube-system wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This pattern is more of the norm than not for expensive high-tech cars. Rich people like nice stuff and are willing to pay maintenance and repair bills.

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

The real comparison is whether they would’ve experienced complaints with any similar class of new(ish) car. What’s left out of TSLA reliability talk is that they are often compared to the average car, which is much older, has less safety features etc. That’s why consumer reports compares similar class and year

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by alamortsubite »

ghaff wrote: post #40
kube-system wrote: post #9

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The rearview camera is a big issue because it is a requirement under Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.

Yes. It's a safety issue. But there are also at least tens of millions of cars on the road without backup cameras.

Lack of rear visibility without a camera is a much more of an issue on newer cars; older cars, which make up the bulk of those "tens of millions", don't have such a serious problem.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by toomuchtodo »

FireBeyond wrote: post #60
toomuchtodo wrote: post #37

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Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious ), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc. My Model S frunk recall appointment with a m…

Tesla has bumped the price of their vehicles _at least_ three times this year, in some cases well over $10K in total, so it's not all that much different to "market adjustments". Not sure how a $5K refundable deposit is "obnoxious". Sure, it's less convenient than the Tesla deposit, but it wasn't like that money wasn't earmarked anyway. (And if you're in the market for a $50-75K vehicle and the difference between a c…

The manufacturer bumping the price due to demand and supply chain issues is one thing, dealers gouging is entirely different (pure profit for adding no value). Musk was entirely right that dealers would be an impediment to EV adoption.

https://jalopnik.com/dealers-say-salespeople-still-arent-rea...

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346108/some-dealerships...

https://www.fastcompany.com/90294305/car-companies-put-in-a-...

Edit: @FireBeyond I don’t believe I’ll be able to help with the confusion

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by FireBeyond »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #67
FireBeyond wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla has bumped the price of their vehicles _at least_ three times this year, in some cases well over $10K in total, so it's not all that much different to "market adjustments". Not sure how a $5K refundable deposit is "obnoxious". Sure, it's less convenient than the Tesla deposit, but it wasn't like that money wasn't earmarked anyway. (And if you're in the market for a $50-75K vehicle and the difference between a c…

The manufacturer bumping the price due to demand and supply chain issues is one thing, dealers gouging is entirely different (pure profit for adding no value). Musk was entirely right that dealers would be an impediment to EV adoption. https://jalopnik.com/dealers-say-salespeople-still-arent-rea... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346108/some-dealerships... https://www.fastcompany.com/90294305/car-companies-put-i…

And yet, somehow, all the other manufacturers are not bumping the price at wholesale.

I'm confused.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by bumby »

ericmay wrote: post #12
walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

>The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality.

It’s based on, well…consumer reports of reliability issues so it seems like it’s quite literally based on (perceived) reality.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by kube-system »

ghaff wrote: post #40
kube-system wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rearview camera is a big issue because it is a requirement under Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards.

Yes. It's a safety issue. But there are also at least tens of millions of cars on the road without backup cameras.

I'm not (directly) saying it's a safety issue, I'm saying it's a compliance issue. It is clear that it needs fixed because it's clear that this function is required by law.
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