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Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by coryrc »

dv_dt wrote: post #22
throwaway_52828 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the teachers are vaxxed and boosted, COVID is less threatening than the flu. And if they aren’t, it seems like they don’t have grounds to complain. The only way this worry makes sense is if the teachers live with somebody who is highly immunocompromised. Which would indeed suck, but it’s crazy to design societal policy around those dangers.

Is less threatening for the single short outlook of being hospitalized. We still do not know the long term effects of Covid across a large population and it seems our governments have given up in favor of continued service in the economy.

What are you proposing otherwise? This: https://news.yahoo.com/remote-learning-led-to-catastrophic-l... Catastrophic learning loss. Any parents who can't afford nannies and won't die without working have had one leave the workforce. The ones who would die have just abandoned their kids.

What I would propose is movement away from nuclear family to more communal living and extended family, but I just see oblivious people push remote learning like it actually solves the problem for most.

Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by dukeofdoom »

kerabatsos wrote: post #18
dv_dt wrote: post #2

But the risk for children getting sick at school and bringing it back to their parents very much does not play out like the flu. I also think it is irresponsible for this article to not mention what ages they’re actually talking about. At some point there is a crossover of the risk and it may be in the younger to mid teens.

This is hardly ever mentioned. The fact that children easily spread it back to parents, etc. was (and still is) conveniently left out of the discussion - even prior to access to vaccinations it was simply ignored. It’s one of the reasons we kept our children home from school, the first year of the pandemic. There were even “experts” arguing that children just didn’t spread the virus at all - which turned out to be lu…

The vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting or spreading covid. In Ontario same case rate of covid per 100k residents, in unxxed as vaxxed and heading higher. 3rd graph.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR2pRUq9GN9EEoDTm0...

Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by gnicholas »

jrtc27 wrote: post #71
gnicholas wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the link. I guess it does look roughly like the trends for the flu, though honestly neither one looks like a saddle to me. A saddle is much more symmetrical, and these look more like linear functions with a small blip on the far left side. I'd still be interested to know if the 0-4 age group has homogeneous risk, or if the real risk is among 0-6 (or 12) month old babies. I have a 2 year old and we have bee…

The graph is deceptive; it's a semi-log plot, so the linearity is really exponential.

Good catch! Sounds like this would be an even more uncomfortable saddle than I had imagined...

Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by dukeofdoom »

kerneloftruth wrote: post #47
criley2 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Others have called out various bits of misinformation/lies in your post but I'll call out another. We vaccinate children against a wide variety of things on a routine basis and a pre-requisite for attending school, and the covid vaccine is literally no more risky than those, and they aren't risky. It honestly feels straight anti-vax to make up lies calling it unnecessary and risky, especially with our health care sys…

How many other medications do you take, or more specifically _require your children to take_ that: 1. were invented 18 months ago, have been available for only a year, and were hurried through the FDA's processes 2. underwent limited clinical trials 3. the manufacturers and providers are immune from lawsuits 4. the effectiveness was cited as 95% 8 months ago, but has proven to be much less. ... I'm betting that the n…

There's good reason to be skeptical. Here's a video on pfizer's own clinical study, that raises many questions on the rate of side effects, all cause mortality.

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/th...

Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by scruple »

buttersbrian wrote: post #25

As my kid contracted COVID yesterday on his 1st birthday and has a fever of 100.9. Oof.

My twins both had Roseola around the same time, when they were about 18 months and had recently entered day care. They both went around 104* F.

Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by CoastalCoder »

HWR_14 wrote: post #67
CoastalCoder wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It honestly feels straight anti-vax to make up lies calling it unnecessary and risky ... I suggest that we charitably assume that everyone here is discussing in good faith. Otherwise it's hard to have productive arguments on contentious topics.

At what point do you stop assuming people are arguing in good faith? Because it seems unbelievable that everyone is.

I don't have a great answer. But I'm guessing that typically we'll have better discussions if we set a high bar for assuming bad intent.

Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by dukeofdoom »

tiahura wrote: post #61
thrower123 wrote: post #13

The abrupt shift in official narrative over the last week has been head-spinning

When we heard Joe Biden say that Covid was the states’ responsibility, and the press not report the complete flip-flop, we knew the stuff was about to hit the fan.

The fact that Psaki gave Trump credit for coming up with the vaccine during a press conference last week, kind of tells you were this is going.

Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by dukeofdoom »

dv_dt wrote: post #2

But the risk for children getting sick at school and bringing it back to their parents very much does not play out like the flu. I also think it is irresponsible for this article to not mention what ages they’re actually talking about. At some point there is a crossover of the risk and it may be in the younger to mid teens.

Since children can't provide their own informed consent, its very morally dubious to give them medical treatments for something that is unlikely to make them sick, and seems on balance for the benefit of the parents. This is quite different from the other vaccines they currently take.

In the event that the covid vaccine turn out to have long term health effects, a child has a long life to live with those side effects, unlike a 70 year old. So their risk is greater, and their potential suffering much longer lasting.

Societies have generally made sacrifices for their children, and not sacrificed their children for the benefit of the elderly. The courts have also generally held the interests of the child supersedes the interests of the parents.

Re: Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu

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Post by senectus1 »

buttersbrian wrote: post #25

As my kid contracted COVID yesterday on his 1st birthday and has a fever of 100.9. Oof.

Not a really bad fever, and try not to treat it with anything but fluids.. remember that a fever is a more often than not a GOOD thing. its the body raising the alarm system wide. let it do its thing (to a degree, you don't want it too high for too long. obviously. Also seek medical advice from a medical practitioner)
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