The abrupt shift in official narrative over the last week has been head-spinning
When we heard Joe Biden say that Covid was the states’ responsibility, and the press not report the complete flip-flop, we knew the stuff was about to hit the fan.
Children's Risk of Serious Illness from Covid-19 Is as Low as It Is for the Flu
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#62this article is from may 2021. I suggest we add a warning to the title since the omicron may cause more harm to children.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/30/omicron-is-sending...
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#63But the risk for children getting sick at school and bringing it back to their parents very much does not play out like the flu. I also think it is irresponsible for this article to not mention what ages they’re actually talking about. At some point there is a crossover of the risk and it may be in the younger to mid teens.
This is hardly ever mentioned. The fact that children easily spread it back to parents, etc. was (and still is) conveniently left out of the discussion - even prior to access to vaccinations it was simply ignored. It’s one of the reasons we kept our children home from school, the first year of the pandemic. There were even “experts” arguing that children just didn’t spread the virus at all - which turned out to be lu…
> This is hardly ever mentioned. The fact that children easily spread it back to parents, etc…
In no way was this ever left out of the discussion. This is a major part of the reason for all the virtual schooling that happened last year.
There were some early reports that children weren’t spreading COVID, and to my knowledge that data was correct. Delta changed that due to the ease with which it spread. But even in the context of early COVID variants, transmission from students to at risk adults was a common topic.
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#64But the risk for children getting sick at school and bringing it back to their parents very much does not play out like the flu. I also think it is irresponsible for this article to not mention what ages they’re actually talking about. At some point there is a crossover of the risk and it may be in the younger to mid teens.
The risk of anyone un-vaxxed going to the hospital after catching covid is 0.89% (source: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimat... ) and it is even lower than that if you are vaxxed. It is incredibly unnecessary and risky to vax children, and probably most adults. The only people that this vax should be recommended to are people in high-risk categorizes.
No, not "anyone", just average healthy people.
3-5% of the adult population have serious immune deficiency and are at very high risk (the vaccine has limited to zero impact on them). Everyone else (including children) getting vaccinated protects them.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here in Norway the vaccine rollout for non-critical people followed just age brackets. So I, a programmer with zero issues working from home, got the vaccine weeks before tons of younger teachers, who had to go to class each day and meet kids which could potentially infect them. I guess it would be complicated if they had to start introducing multiple levels, or some sort of "you can have my seat" functionality, stil…
In most US states teachers were prioritized along with firefighters, health workers, etc.
At least my state had a variety of non-age-related (self-reported) criteria for phases of eligibility including occupational and various health conditions.
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#66As my kid contracted COVID yesterday on his 1st birthday and has a fever of 100.9. Oof.
As the other poster wrote, 100,9F is not particularly high. Here doctors recommend to keep fever below 39° (102,2F). When my child had the flu, we achieved this by alternating between Ibuprofen and Paracetamol in order to keep the doses low.
All the best to you.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Others have called out various bits of misinformation/lies in your post but I'll call out another. We vaccinate children against a wide variety of things on a routine basis and a pre-requisite for attending school, and the covid vaccine is literally no more risky than those, and they aren't risky. It honestly feels straight anti-vax to make up lies calling it unnecessary and risky, especially with our health care sys…
> It honestly feels straight anti-vax to make up lies calling it unnecessary and risky ... I suggest that we charitably assume that everyone here is discussing in good faith. Otherwise it's hard to have productive arguments on contentious topics.
At what point do you stop assuming people are arguing in good faith? Because it seems unbelievable that everyone is.
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#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
The risk of anyone un-vaxxed going to the hospital after catching covid is 0.89% (source: https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimat... ) and it is even lower than that if you are vaxxed. It is incredibly unnecessary and risky to vax children, and probably most adults. The only people that this vax should be recommended to are people in high-risk categorizes.
To be clear the 0.89% figure was obtained by dividing hospitalizations by population, so it includes many unvaccinated people who have not caught COVID (yet). The chance that an unvaccinated person who is COVID-positive will require hospitalization is around 3%.
What’s the risk for non-obese people? Not that obese people should be considered less healthy, just curious because much of America, outside of San Francisco, is obese.
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#69But the risk for children getting sick at school and bringing it back to their parents very much does not play out like the flu. I also think it is irresponsible for this article to not mention what ages they’re actually talking about. At some point there is a crossover of the risk and it may be in the younger to mid teens.
This is hardly ever mentioned. The fact that children easily spread it back to parents, etc. was (and still is) conveniently left out of the discussion - even prior to access to vaccinations it was simply ignored. It’s one of the reasons we kept our children home from school, the first year of the pandemic. There were even “experts” arguing that children just didn’t spread the virus at all - which turned out to be lu…
> The fact that children easily spread it back to parents, etc. was (and still is) conveniently left out of the discussion
Left out of the discussion? This is basically the entire discussion when vaccinating school children is ever brought up. It's the only defensible position to take.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure I understand you correctly. You do not want to take a vaccine that provides a tenfold reduction of the risk of dying from the Omicron variant? Or are you arguing that vaccinations with the existing vaccines should continue until better vaccines are available, in combination with other measures such as lockdowns, mask wearing, mandatory testing and quarantine, etc. If it's the latter, that's what most cou…
What I'm saying is that current vaccines are quite ineffectual against the present strain of the virus, and that NPI's, such as masking, social distancing, testing and quarantine are effective but not used. Having schools open in an active phase of the pandemic is the exact opposite of what should be done, that's how the virus spreads between households. Under the Orange Menace we had financial support for those who…
Thanks for clarifying, I was genuinely interested in what your view is. As others have pointed out, current vaccines seem to be somewhat effective against hospitalization and highly effective at preventing death by the Omicron variant. It's important to be aware that from a personal risk point of view it is better to get a booster now than wait for a booster with an adjusted, improved vaccine against Omicron, and I mistook you to suggest otherwise. AFAIK, it will take several months at least until adapted vaccines will be widely available.
I see the other problems you mention in the US, though. It's a shame, there should definitely be paid sick leave and quicktests everywhere.