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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by jeffbee »

slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

If we have to hear about it every time Tesla is the best-selling brand for a single month in Estonia or Chile, but we never get to talk about all the other months and places some other brand is the top seller, it follows that we also have to talk about Tesla recalls, even though we never talk about Honda recalls.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by Retric »

noah_buddy wrote: post #30
slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

I disagree that those headlines are even nearly so newsworthy! This Tesla recall is only 20k less than all that they sold in 2020. Ford recalling 200k cars is only 5% of what they sold in that same year. This is a relatively large proportion of all Tesla's on the road.

Ford simply sells a much wider variety of cars which results in more frequent recalls. The odds of any one recall impacting a ford owner is less, but the odds of any recall impacting them are about the same.

For example in the recent 16 million for airbags vehicle recall across multiple car manufactures only 3 ford models where impacted. https://oharelawfirm.com/blog/massive-car-recall-reveals-pot...

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by slg »

lillecarl wrote: post #43
slg wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not trying to start a fight about the quality of Tesla's vehicles compared to other manufacturers. Maybe you are right and Teslas are recalled at a higher frequency. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion either way. I am simply pointing out that a solitary voluntary recall, which is what this article is about, is barely newsworthy and is only being posted/upvoted because it is Tesla.

And it is upvoted through the roof because it is Tesla. The one car manufacturer valued as high as "all other" (very many) car manufacturers together. Tesla is different, why treat them like everyone else?

>And it is upvoted through the roof because it is Tesla.

That was my point so we agree.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by vardump »

standardUser wrote: post #46
slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

One key difference is that for Tesla, 500k cars is a huge amount of the total cars it's sold in the last 5 years. More than a third. Has any automaker ever had a recall on such a huge proportion of their cars?

Tesla has sold about 1.4M cars in just last two years. 500k last year and 910k (likely more) this year.

Next year Tesla is going to sell probably at least 1.5M cars. Given they have two new factories, and Tesla Shanghai factory is expanding again, 2M wouldn't surprise me.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by mxschumacher »

noah_buddy wrote: post #30
slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

I disagree that those headlines are even nearly so newsworthy! This Tesla recall is only 20k less than all that they sold in 2020. Ford recalling 200k cars is only 5% of what they sold in that same year. This is a relatively large proportion of all Tesla's on the road.

it's interesting how Tesla is definitely not a car company when somebody mentions their absurd valuation but just like all the other car companies when something goes bad. Cannot have it both ways.

I have read about Toyota's impressive production systems and then hear people claiming that Tesla's manufacturing capability is 10x better than anybody else's.

At some point we'll have to decide whether looking like a duck, swimming like a duck, and quacking like a duck makes it a duck.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ghaff »

walrus01 wrote: post #24
kube-system wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This pattern is more of the norm than not for expensive high-tech cars. Rich people like nice stuff and are willing to pay maintenance and repair bills.

and then later in their life they become impossible to fix at a reasonable price. somebody might sell you a mostly okay running older BMW 7 series for $4500, fully loaded with all the options but take a look at the parts and labor cost to fix something on it.... you might as well throw away the whole car.

While I've driven them (on a track) and appreciate the attraction of the German sports luxury brands, what I've always heard is that if you want to keep them past their warranty period you need a trusted independent foreign car mechanic--and it can still get pricey. Just has never been a sufficient priority for me.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by lillecarl »

slg wrote: post #53
lillecarl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it is upvoted through the roof because it is Tesla. The one car manufacturer valued as high as "all other" (very many) car manufacturers together. Tesla is different, why treat them like everyone else?

>And it is upvoted through the roof because it is Tesla. That was my point so we agree.

Well yes, but you seem to think it's unfair treatment whereas I think It's perfectly reasonable to treat them differently if they are different(Which they are). So we disagree as well.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by tyrfing »

slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

This is unnecessarily defensive. A quick search shows that other large recalls have been heavily upvoted on HN: Volkswagen, Hyundai, Fiat, Peloton, Amazon, and many others.

Just a reminder that news about the 6th-largest company in the world, owned by the richest man in the world, isn't a personal attack on you.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by bumby »

slg wrote: post #19

Just a reminder that cars are recalled all the time and the only reason you are seeing this article is because it is Tesla. Any other manufacturer and this would be a non-story especially on HN. Did Ford recalling 185k vehicles a couple days ago make the front page of HN? How about Toyota recalling 200k vehicles also a couple days ago?[2] Maybe Honda recalling 725k vehicles a month ago?[3] EDIT: Lots of people are ta…

What makes this more interesting to me is that is came about during a probe into the driver assist technology. This particular recall is of less interest than that probe.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by FireBeyond »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #37
HWR_14 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is a lot to complain about, why wouldn't you want to buy something else?

Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious ), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc. My Model S frunk recall appointment with a m…

Tesla has bumped the price of their vehicles _at least_ three times this year, in some cases well over $10K in total, so it's not all that much different to "market adjustments".

Not sure how a $5K refundable deposit is "obnoxious". Sure, it's less convenient than the Tesla deposit, but it wasn't like that money wasn't earmarked anyway. (And if you're in the market for a $50-75K vehicle and the difference between a couple of hundred and couple of thousand down is a deal breaker for you, you could argue affordability).

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