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Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by LarrySellers »

cik2e wrote: post #48
notyourwork wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No need to go outside in the winter. Smokers/vapers, stop giving the rest of society more reasons to dislike your habits.

Are you assuming that the comment you are replying to is in regard to vaping indoors in public spaces? No reason to do so. And also, why conflate smoking with vaping? They are completely different in terms of immediate and lingering odor, as well as second hand effects.

We shouldn't assume that about the GP, but indoor vaping in public spaces is much common than indoor smoking in the US.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by ridiculousthrow »

tw04 wrote: post #46

It's kind of shocking to me the number of folks I've seen become hardcore vapers who either never smoked or had quit smoking for years (think decade+). At some point do we get to push the societal cost onto the companies selling these products? We had basically killed smoking for an entire generation of humans (at least in the US) once we finally banned smoking in bars and pretty much everywhere indoors, and now we'r…

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Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by detaro »

Clubber wrote: post #40
smoldesu wrote: post #34

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Nicotine in particular is a bitch to quit - I don't understand how a substance that addictive can be legal, especially considering how violent a withdrawl can feel. Breaking off a pot addiction or a heavy drinking stint seems like a cinch by comparison. My advice is to buy some flavored toothpicks. I bought some minty ones from Amazon and they do a great job of satisfying any oral fixation you've got, and placating t…

>I don't understand how a substance that addictive can be legal, especially considering how violent a withdrawl can feel. Because it was grandfathered in. If you ban it, you fuck up a ton of people hooked on it. I can't imagine what the assault / homicide / suicide rate would spike to for the next decade or two.

Some countries have proposed banning it from a threshold. I.e. ban it for people born after year X (which at time of introduction is e.g. 14 year olds)

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by nathias »

LarrySellers wrote: post #47
nathias wrote: post #43

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the ones about vaping, when tobacco money paid for the studies it was weird how they always found a lot of danger that people then had to be protected from ... but when you would look at the data you would see they were using it in a way that noone actually used it (like using bad coils and completely overheating them) etc. Really a pure scam but because it's done in the form of 'science' its supposed to be more cred…

Which studies in specific? Can you cite one? The tobacco industry is making lots of money off of these and can sell them in flavors that were banned in cigarettes a long time ago (opening up the market to kids again). https://tobaccotactics.org/wiki/e-cigarettes/

No I can't it was some years ago, in the time when they didn't capture the market yet. You can easliy find them online, just go through related subreddits from around 2016, and watch for studies people are complaining about.

edit: I have just written my comments in good faith. I don't know what distorted view of yourself you have, to expect people will prove something to you.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by LarrySellers »

nathias wrote: post #54
LarrySellers wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which studies in specific? Can you cite one? The tobacco industry is making lots of money off of these and can sell them in flavors that were banned in cigarettes a long time ago (opening up the market to kids again). https://tobaccotactics.org/wiki/e-cigarettes/

No I can't it was some years ago, in the time when they didn't capture the market yet. You can easliy find them online, just go through related subreddits from around 2016, and watch for studies people are complaining about. edit: I have just written my comments in good faith. I don't know what distorted view of yourself you have, to expect people will prove something to you.

The onus is on the person making the claim (you) I'm afraid.

> in the time when they didn't capture the market yet

Big Tobacco entered the market around 2012-2013.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by etaioinshrdlu »

LarrySellers wrote: post #49
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #36

I tried vaping Juul aggressively for a few weeks to try to get addicted. I failed miserably. It just doesn't feel good enough. Zero desire to ever vape again. Very light effects, or more nauseous than anything if you have enough. It is somewhat baffling to me that anyone would find it addictive. I'm not willing to try actual cigarettes for health reasons. Caffeine is very addictive for me though, and it gives physica…

> to try to get addicted Why? > more nauseous than anything if you have enough Enough to poison yourself.

Why? To see if I could. This is Hacker News.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

I quit smoking some 15 years ago (after some 10 years of smoking) for about 3-4 years and then learned of e-cigarettes (pre-July) and, intrigued, got one, then, cautious of relapsing filled the cartridges with pure, unscented glycerin. In 2 weeks I was back to smoking real cigarettes at the good ole pack-a-day rate.

Took another 5 years to quit again. This time for good.

I have no idea what was the mechanism second time, but I “just quit”. Cold turkey. I have zero interest in even one drag now.

I sometimes would take a friend’s cigarette and hold it in my mouth, pretend-smoking, inhaling and exhaling, making all those sweet smoking lip maneuvers, as if I am making rings or pushing smoke through my nostrils. No desire to light it at all

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by boeingUH60 »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #56
LarrySellers wrote: post #49

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> to try to get addicted Why? > more nauseous than anything if you have enough Enough to poison yourself.

Why? To see if I could. This is Hacker News.

You must be unique then. Isn’t there a possibility of addiction leading to some nasty side effects you may not want?

I’m just asking, not really familiar with vaping stuff.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by notyourwork »

cik2e wrote: post #48
notyourwork wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No need to go outside in the winter. Smokers/vapers, stop giving the rest of society more reasons to dislike your habits.

Are you assuming that the comment you are replying to is in regard to vaping indoors in public spaces? No reason to do so. And also, why conflate smoking with vaping? They are completely different in terms of immediate and lingering odor, as well as second hand effects.

> Are you assuming that the comment you are replying to is in regard to vaping indoors in public spaces?

We are because I cannot count the amount of times I've seen ignorant vape clouds billowing away from someone or smelling a fruity floral vape aroma in places where its not allowed. All vapes have done is make it easier for people to smoke where they shouldn't.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by Clubber »

detaro wrote: post #53
Clubber wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't understand how a substance that addictive can be legal, especially considering how violent a withdrawl can feel. Because it was grandfathered in. If you ban it, you fuck up a ton of people hooked on it. I can't imagine what the assault / homicide / suicide rate would spike to for the next decade or two.

Some countries have proposed banning it from a threshold. I.e. ban it for people born after year X (which at time of introduction is e.g. 14 year olds)

Yes, I believe that was New Zealand. It's about the only way you can do it ethically.
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