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Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by chrsig »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #36

I tried vaping Juul aggressively for a few weeks to try to get addicted. I failed miserably. It just doesn't feel good enough. Zero desire to ever vape again. Very light effects, or more nauseous than anything if you have enough. It is somewhat baffling to me that anyone would find it addictive. I'm not willing to try actual cigarettes for health reasons. Caffeine is very addictive for me though, and it gives physica…

as a former pack/day smoker…i can’t not say this, and hope that perhaps it’ll benefit some other reader:

> I tried vaping Juul aggressively for a few weeks to try to get addicted

This is fucking moronic.

> Very light effects, or more nauseous than anything if you have enough

the nausea is most likely from nicotine poisoning. because going from no nicotine tolerance to aggressive vaping is a really bad idea.

> It is somewhat baffling to me that anyone would find it addictive

Most people start gradually, not in an aggressive attempt to form a dependence. There’s a reason why “sit down and smoke the whole pack” is often an effective punishment for teens caught smoking.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by nathias »

LarrySellers wrote: post #31
nathias wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen much more cherry picking from official studies than in my anecdotal evidence, but thanks.

Which ones?

the ones about vaping, when tobacco money paid for the studies it was weird how they always found a lot of danger that people then had to be protected from ... but when you would look at the data you would see they were using it in a way that noone actually used it (like using bad coils and completely overheating them) etc. Really a pure scam but because it's done in the form of 'science' its supposed to be more credible than people's experiences ...

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by Scoundreller »

aurizon wrote: post #2

4 of my friends who smoked 1-2 packs/day were able to transition to smoking alternatives, 2 went to nicotine pills, 4 Mg from Walmart, stayed on 2-3 of those/day from the morning. The other 2 went to suck-in inhalers. None of them went to visible cloud of smoke emitters. They all eliminated their prior shortness of breath problem, when biking/jogging. I never ever smoked, but I find the 4 Mg pills are good for appeti…

> The midnight courier bike race is amazing, 100-200 bikers on an after 12 PM bike race on city streets - I do not know if it still runs - used to be every few months in the summer time.

For the broader public, Bike R a v e and Bike P a r t y are the Toronto events that usually happen over summer. Usually starts a bit earlier (9PM?) with various stops in parks and blocking of intersections to keep the group together. obviously there’s zero chance of getting a permit. Fun times!

There’s also some alley cat events that are races.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by Clubber »

ryandvm wrote: post #19
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both the incumbent tobacco companies and the state have a huge financial interest in ensuring that a) competition stays out or b) they get the right sized cut from any competitor. The states scrambled to delay and regulate ecigs just enough to figure out how to tax it because they were afraid of losing revenue from cigarette taxes. They were not just haplessly corrupt but active in that effort.

> states scrambled to delay and regulate ecigs just enough to figure out how to tax it because they were afraid of losing revenue from cigarette taxes I hear permutations of this theory mentioned a lot, but I'm not sure I buy it. The political incentives just aren't there on an individual level. It would require politicians on both sides of the aisle to be actively interested in budgetary policy. The reality is that…

Because of the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement in 1996, states get money based on the smoking rate (units sold). When the smoking rate goes down, they get less money. Like it or not, states /pols are incentivized to keep smokers around.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agre...

>It would require politicians on both sides of the aisle to be actively interested in budgetary policy.

They are much more so at the state level because states can't print money.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by tw04 »

It's kind of shocking to me the number of folks I've seen become hardcore vapers who either never smoked or had quit smoking for years (think decade+). At some point do we get to push the societal cost onto the companies selling these products? We had basically killed smoking for an entire generation of humans (at least in the US) once we finally banned smoking in bars and pretty much everywhere indoors, and now we're right back where we started with something that will be even more difficult to be rid of because it doesn't have nearly the obvious secondary annoyances (smelling horrible all the time, being forced outside in bad weather, etc).

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by LarrySellers »

nathias wrote: post #43
LarrySellers wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which ones?

the ones about vaping, when tobacco money paid for the studies it was weird how they always found a lot of danger that people then had to be protected from ... but when you would look at the data you would see they were using it in a way that noone actually used it (like using bad coils and completely overheating them) etc. Really a pure scam but because it's done in the form of 'science' its supposed to be more cred…

Which studies in specific? Can you cite one?

The tobacco industry is making lots of money off of these and can sell them in flavors that were banned in cigarettes a long time ago (opening up the market to kids again).

https://tobaccotactics.org/wiki/e-cigarettes/

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by cik2e »

notyourwork wrote: post #23
0x0000000 wrote: post #15

The first time I quit smoking, I used an e-cig to help quit, and it was great. But eventually I started smoking again, and so I tried to use an e-cig like the previous time. But circumstances were different, e-cigs were different (nicotine salts), and now I consume 2x the nicotine than I did from a pack of smokes. It's too good. It's convenient, always on you, always ready to go. No unpleasant taste or smell. No need…

> No need to go outside in the winter. Smokers/vapers, stop giving the rest of society more reasons to dislike your habits.

Are you assuming that the comment you are replying to is in regard to vaping indoors in public spaces? No reason to do so.

And also, why conflate smoking with vaping? They are completely different in terms of immediate and lingering odor, as well as second hand effects.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by LarrySellers »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #36

I tried vaping Juul aggressively for a few weeks to try to get addicted. I failed miserably. It just doesn't feel good enough. Zero desire to ever vape again. Very light effects, or more nauseous than anything if you have enough. It is somewhat baffling to me that anyone would find it addictive. I'm not willing to try actual cigarettes for health reasons. Caffeine is very addictive for me though, and it gives physica…

> to try to get addicted

Why?

> more nauseous than anything if you have enough

Enough to poison yourself.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by callalex »

pmyteh wrote: post #21
DenisM wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you could quickly use a lower gear freewheel on the other side -(if you rotated to drive the other axle) Wait, what? You had a sprocket on each side of your rear wheel and you flipped the wheel around to change gears? Or did you exchange front/rear wheel, each having a different sprocket?

Yup (to the first). Fixie riders can achieve two 'gears' by mounting a sprocket on both sides of the rear wheel and flipping the wheel round if needed. More, as always, from Sheldon Brown: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/fixed-conversion.html#flip-flop

If only there was an invention that enabled you to change gears on the fly with the push of a stalk on the handle bars…
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