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There are no such exemptions, and I don't know from where did this idea came
There absolutely are, or at least were. I attended a computer security competition in Shanghai in 2016, and the organizers told us explicitly that they’d obtained an exemption to get unfiltered internet access at the site. It was indeed unfiltered - Google and such worked fine - and an IP test showed us connecting from a Chinese ISP (so, not a VPN). As this was about five years ago, the situation may well have change…
Steam has been banned in China
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Because china is the rising power to US dominance, and both sides will discredit each other from time to time. Also western journalist orgs have an incentive to paint an unflavourable picture while getting non of the blowback. Also, keep in mind yours is but one experience out of many.
China has no free press. Literally none. Hongkong's free press was obliterated shortly after China broke the treaties they had with the UK about keeping Hongkong independent. Try traveling to the areas where Uigurs are being detained to look for yourself if China is lying. You can't and so can't journalists or independent observers. Why is that? Saying that both are bad and so nobody can be blamed is a bad faith argu…
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I must offer another data point. I'm British, and often find myself in these threads criticising criticism of China. Not because I'm being paid by the CCP, but because I believe that mainstream anti-Chinese sentiment tells us more about the West's psychological struggles to come to terms with its own historically unprecedented imperial past, than it does about China itself.
It's curious that you say 'historically unprecedented imperial past' - imperialism typically has to do with having a ruler, and exerting diplomatic or military force to influence other nations. Why do you say this is historically unprecedented? China has been imperialist since its beginning, and continues its imperialism with Hong Kong, South china sea, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang, Myanmar ... What 'historically unpreced…
BTW, not to dismiss the other countries from your list, but you should really understand the history of Hong Kong, specifically the Opium Wars. The British took it when the Chinese refused to continue buying their opium.
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Whataboutism is very relevant. If A is accusing B of eating babies, then why shouldn't B - or anyone, for that matter - not point out that A is also eating babies and raping old ladies? What you call "pro CCP people" is just people outside the sphere of influence of A. In your environment it's been normalized to hate on China for any reason. You're likely being brainwashed 24/7 or a paid troll.
Whataboutism has nothing to do with morality. If country A does something bad it doesn't mean that it is not actually bad because country B did something similar. Do you find it interesting that anytime there is a thread about the US doing something bad that nobody jumps in and say well China did the same thing? It only goes one way. That is why I am calling it out. The reason why it goes one way is because people wh…
Also, the US is trying to maintain a moral high ground (real or perceived). They don't want to be associated with China. I don't think anyone would say "well China does it too!" but they would absolutely say "well the EU does it too!".
I do think China gets dinged for their misdeeds more than other nations do. I don't see nearly the anti-India sentiment, despite the similarities. India is perceived as a country that makes some missteps on their way to modernization, while China is perceived as a country that's rotten to the core and making intentionally terrible choices.
I don't support China. I wouldn't want to live there. I just think that we're either mentally over-prosecuting China, or that we're giving more democratic nations a pass on their misdeeds. India still has castes, and didn't they just have a series of internet blackouts to suppress dissidents? The whole thing with the farmers, though I could be misremembering. They're democratic though, so we're all pretty sure they'll find their way. No one seems to consider that perhaps China will find their way as well. Germany had Hitler 80 years ago and they're doing fine today. Perhaps in 80 years China will be more free as well.
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Most people criticizing China and the CCP in those forums haven't spent time in China either. I suspect many wouldn't even be able to place China on a map.
I've been to China. The series of high resolution pictures of me throughout the streets, hotels, places I was during my time there - these all appeared on the screens used by the guards as I was being scanned to leave the country. So yes, I have been to China, I can place China on a map, and it is the most terrifying reincarnation of Nazi Germany - being defended by people who will say "we didn't know any better" aft…
Oh, good to know that. I didn't know prisoners could left Nazi Germany just like that, only getting a scan. I had a completely different idea of that regime.
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#506Decentralized web advancements will continue to punch holes.
You don't need web3 to punch holes in The Great Firewall of China. I've got a tech illiterate acquaintance living there right now and they regularly finds ways around it.
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I have been studying Mandarin and reading about China for years. I suspect that China is so big and diverse that the average Chinese person cannot speak generally about China. I wouldn’t expect someone who has only lived in Alabama to be able to describe America generally. Yet we fall into that trap often with other cultures.
Do you think this problem is 4 times worse in China because of the population size.?
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None, because that issue is hotly contested. This issue is not contested; there is no denial from them on this issue. If they are doing something wrong they know that it is wrong. Meanwhile they think this is something they can get away with openly. I hope this clears up the confusion. There is no selectivity here.
Hotly contested? Uyghur oppression is some figment of our imagination? Will you assert that without the "hotly contested" weasel words?
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The reality is every step you took was observed and I would assume even where you slept both video and audio were recorded.
You can assume anything. Doesn't mean it's true. The reality is that your perception of China is highly fantasized and part of a crafted narrative. It's dangerous if you continue to contribute to this propaganda without care as to whether you've verified anything you've heard yourself. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but I doubt you'd know. I mean, it's certainly possible our rooms were bugged, but to what end? To fulfil…
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I backpacked through China and stayed in youth hostels. Highly doubt they were bugged. They didn’t even have heating (we used electric blankets)
I think part of that is that a lot of infrastructure is missing, but also culturally less wasteful than American lifestyles. For example I stayed in my Japanese friend's house in Tokyo and he doesn't heat the entire place even though it's a pretty small apartment. My room just had a heated blanket as well. But I agree, for any random foreigner the government is not competent enough to surveil him/her and much less mo…