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> Please return your 50 cents to the CCP. Bewildering to see this kind of ad hominem on HN.
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To give a metaphor, I think it is perfectly reasonable to criticise my project lead when she criticises me for not meeting my targets but turns up hungover and spends the whole day on Facebook. I am criticising her because I want her to be effective at her job . Not because I disagree with her about our team's laziness.
We are not equating missed targets with atrocity... A terrorist attack does not miss the target of benevolence. It is something that should never, ever happen but this planet is such a soul-crushing clusterfuck that it is like water under a bridge. Human life has value. It's not effective value or an estimate of value. It is absolute.
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Both. I have been refused access to a place because the landlord was openly racist and didn't want to rent to me after she found out I was a foreigner. There is pretty much no recourse for foreigners who are victims of racism in China, it's an extremely racist country. When you're a foreigner you just kinda have to accept that there are people who will cross the street or shield their kids when they see you, loudly c…
This is weird. Definitely not my experience at all. I visited Shanghai, Beijing, and Chengdu in China in 2012 and I felt extremely welcome wherever I went. I might also add that in Chengdu, a city which sees considerably less foreigners than the other two, I felt like I was being treated like somewhat of a celebrity, with people smiling at me everywhere, and random passer-bys on the street trying to impress me with t…
Familiarity breeds contempt.
Western expats in East Asia tend to be quite polarized about their country of residence, and expats in poorer countries even more so. Over time, the tint of novelty wears off and the warts begin to stand out. Poorer countries have more warts.
For folks like myself who are extra sensitive, the negatives get an outsized representation, while the positives and neutrals get filtered out. It took me years of to develop the habits to compensate. I'm far from where I'd like to be, but I'm learning to accept that as well.
This is especially true in places of higher density. If you encounter 1 bad apple in a place of 100 people, vs 10 bad apples of 1000 people, the ratio is the same, but subjectively the latter feels ten times worse. It’s the price you pay for living the city life.
And when you have an under-stimulated career, the idle mind becomes the devil's playground.
We let collective narratives plays a greater role in colouring our opinions (as opposite to direct experience) than we'd like to admit. In this day and age, I don't think it's especially controversial to say that we get more dopamine hits from internet discussions than having a stroll down the street. Ultimately, unless we consciously intervene, the chemicals get to decide what we let ruminate in the back of our minds.
The idiosyncrasies you used to brush off or find amusing are now small but cumulative signs of impending doom. What we get right in direction we get wrong in magnitude. The sprinkles of verifiable truth can often as easily fuel our biases as they moderate them.
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I’m ethnically Chinese. While I speak a little I am still mistaken for a foreigner since I often hire a translator and I traveled extensively through China throughout the last 2 decades to many places both remote and urban on a US passport. Never had a problem with hotels (though mostly booked online) nor staying at relatives/friends houses, nor anything blatantly authoritarian besides my internet bring blocked (whic…
The reality is every step you took was observed and I would assume even where you slept both video and audio were recorded.
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The reality is every step you took was observed and I would assume even where you slept both video and audio were recorded.
I backpacked through China and stayed in youth hostels. Highly doubt they were bugged. They didn’t even have heating (we used electric blankets)
But I agree, for any random foreigner the government is not competent enough to surveil him/her and much less motivated to do so. The fact is any given foreigner is not actually that important...
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Please provide one example in this comments section. Ideally many, since an alleged "flood" cannot be composed of a single drop, but a single example would also suffice. Please don't refer obliquely to some "situation", be specific. The example must convince me that the person you're quoting is indeed engaging in "activism" for the CCP and not merely expressing their opinion. Otherwise, if you can't provide these exa…
have all the great tactics of refuting reality, spelling or grammar problems, redirection, whataboutism, any critique of CCP is racist/sinophobia, and some have great trump-style reverse psychology for lack of a better term (if he says they do it, he's the one doing it lol).
I simply do not believe that a significant % of readers on this niche, highly educated forum, actually hold these opinions or hold these beliefs of what they think is reality/facts.
Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps it's just trolling.
If real, I have a hard time reconciling that my worldview could possibly exist in the same as theirs. It's just so hard to swallow if true. If it is true it just makes it feel more like water & oil, a future of neither can live whilst the other survives.
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A double wammy! first somehow has not heard of xinjiang situation, asks for source on Uyghur forced labor, provided one, then says but they don't provide a source! lol
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29684508
> sending of its natives to work camps by the half million Never heard of this event. Mind to provide a link with more details?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29684595
Thanks, this is what the major part of the report.
> The report, authored by Adrian Zenz, an independent Tibet and Xinjiang researcher, says that 500,000 people, mostly subsistence farmers and herders, were trained in the first seven months of 2020 and authorities have set quotas for the mass transfer of those workers within Tibet and to other parts of China.
One thing I hate about mainstream media reporting is that they never link to the source material.
Just from the above description, I cannot see that these people are forced in anyway. And deriving such numbers from public Chinese government documents is not accurate either, as certain words can be easily misunderstood given the sinophobia sentiment nowadays.
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29682404
Even the publications claiming genocide in Xinjiang have been backpedaling. India is the one that has been attacking neighbouring borders, especially since the fascists came to power.
Taiwan’s air defence zone includes much of the mainland, almost an entire province.
Fishing vessels aren’t state actors. It’s certainly a problem that they aren’t being regulated more strongly, although many other countries have this same problem.
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29682376
Flagged before I can copy paste. Was a parroting of Xi's recent pronouncement of Chinese style 'democracy' being the future and better than actual democracy:
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(i commented on this one saying the same as others, whataboutism deflecting from what we are talking about, currently downvoted). I just read that profile 's posts and all of their comments in this thread are trying to pivot. they bring up problems and things we should be discussing for sure. but the tactic is to avoid discussion of the original topic.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29684104
> 1. it could be flooded with pro cpp activists, it's a known fact that China pays people to influence forums
Weird how that's a "known fact" with China, but whenever it's brought up about the Western countries [0] it's either hand-waved away or declared a conspiracy theory.
[0] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-ope...
What is going on here with the comment section? Seems like it's flooded with pro ccp activists
I must offer another data point. I'm British, and often find myself in these threads criticising criticism of China. Not because I'm being paid by the CCP, but because I believe that mainstream anti-Chinese sentiment tells us more about the West's psychological struggles to come to terms with its own historically unprecedented imperial past, than it does about China itself.
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There is a big difference between real debate on real issues - the example egg nutrition lol. Versus trying to refute or distract with a 'debate' on reality & facts. Some things shouldn't be up for debate and calling doubt on reality is a weapon used by those who have political stakes. China is a tough one too because as we saw on a top HN post from a few days ago we know the CCP has a large, active operation to comm…
This HN post? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29661475 "Spamouflage: CCP-Aligned Disinformation Campaign on Facebook Twitter YouTube"
There have been a few over the years. One I remember talked about a gamified app which is like so innovative and sad at the same time
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The reality is every step you took was observed and I would assume even where you slept both video and audio were recorded.
You can assume anything. Doesn't mean it's true. The reality is that your perception of China is highly fantasized and part of a crafted narrative. It's dangerous if you continue to contribute to this propaganda without care as to whether you've verified anything you've heard yourself. Maybe it's true, maybe not, but I doubt you'd know. I mean, it's certainly possible our rooms were bugged, but to what end? To fulfil…
Countries spy on foreign visitors. Friendship trips are carefully planned to show none of the underside of a society. China is one of the most oppressive regimes out there - see the detention of Jack Ma, who was five years ago one of their most celebrated businessmen.
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> Please return your 50 cents to the CCP. Bewildering to see this kind of ad hominem on HN.
It is not a personal attack. It is an attack on the argument. Anytime somebody says something negative about the CCP people always bring up the west. It is not relevant to the conversation and is a common tactic of anti west / pro CCP people to deflect.
What you call "pro CCP people" is just people outside the sphere of influence of A. In your environment it's been normalized to hate on China for any reason. You're likely being brainwashed 24/7 or a paid troll.