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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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> It is indeed a country full of contradictions. Over the years, I came to understand that contradictions are almost always just false assumptions.

At least in this case, there aren’t any “false assumptions”. For a country governed by a so called “communist” party, there are glaring inequalities. If we limit ourselves to free Internet usage, it’s clear that the system is designed so poor or uneducated people would only be able to consume government approved content, whereas elites could have access to anything.

> it’s clear that the system is designed so poor or uneducated people would only be able to consume government approved content

That's not by design, that's just the virtue of human ingenuity. Give us something we ain't supposed to do, and people will invest a lot of effort to still make it work.

Case in point; For a while Germany wanted to put Internet filters in place, based on DNS blocks [0]

Trivial to circumvent for anybody remotely familiar with networking, yet seemingly impossible for the vast majority of people who have no expertise in the field.

Was it designed like that to lock out the poor, uneducated, Germans?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zugangserschwerungsgesetz

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Where did you get this from? US hotels most definitely do not “register (resident or non-resident) guests with the local government”. A few states require hotel guests to present an ID at checkin.

How can you tell if a hotel registers you with the local government? I am not saying they are (never bothered to cross the Atlantic) but you have no way of knowing what they do. My assumption is they all do, directly or not. I mean, 2013 did happen. Guess not everyone was paying attention

Spoken like someone who's never spent any time in or around the US service industry. People will gossip, and something like this would be known - hell, I'd likely know it, just on account of knowing some folks who would know and would want to talk about it. I don't live in a tech monoculture, either geographically or socially, and I'm friendly, personable, and good at explaining complex systems simply. Because of that I get a lot of questions from acquaintances about everything from phone and PC repair to what human life might look like after a hard-takeoff singularity. Those conversations go lots of places, but often tend to converge on people's worries about tech in general, as they take the chance of a discussion with someone knowledgeable to check their anxieties against reality. So the surprise, if this were happening, would be more that by now someone hadn't mentioned it, over drinks or otherwise, in my hearing.

That said, I don't find that lack at all surprising. What you're thinking of here is more of a Stasi-style "informers everywhere" kind of deal, and US domestic mass surveillance really doesn't work that way. Much more likely would be something like NSA watching payment card transactions en masse for debits from hotels and associating those with cell tower and identity data, and maybe also having quietly penetrated the major booking systems to spot cash purchases. In light of Snowden's 2013 revelations, it wouldn't surprise me to hear about either of those, and indeed I assume they are both being done. (Not least because that's probably how I'd build it. Why deal openly with a bunch of separate businesses and fractious employees when you can much more quietly and easily learn all you want from what's going over the wire?)

And aside from all that - not for nothing is it so common a theme in our popular media, especially these last couple of decades, that by and large we'd really just rather not know. You've mentioned that you don't really understand America, and that checks out; if you did, you'd neither be surprised that the response to Snowden was mostly a yawn, nor need telling anything I've said in this comment. Our intelligence agencies certainly don't.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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You should be sceptical of all the news about China that come from the West.

Why? It matches exactly my experience while being in China.

Because china is the rising power to US dominance, and both sides will discredit each other from time to time. Also western journalist orgs have an incentive to paint an unflavourable picture while getting non of the blowback.

Also, keep in mind yours is but one experience out of many.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as China and North Korea, to 'see for yourself', especially when you don't know the language, when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see, like VICE did in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ That being said, if you go then please try to walk into a random h…

Reminds me of this channel 4 [0] interview with writer Benjamin Zephaniah. Tbh I find his reasoning, go there and see for yourself, much more convincing than your reasoning. Particularly this; > when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see Just reads like FUD, it's not China that locks up people at the highest rate on the planet. That "feat" is r…

Considering the locked up two Canadians in retaliation for Canada arresting Meng Wanghzu. I just don't see how I could go there and not have anxiety for the whole trip.

It's a shame though, I always wanted to see China.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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"we've always been at war with eastasia" The major problem I see, is that every major power uses propaganda to their benefit, yet even highly intelligent people often don't see the propaganda of their native (or chosen) home. I see the propaganda of China, Russia as well as the one of the US and Europe. There are no white, selfless knights around. There never were. Does that mean that nothing matters, that (subjectiv…

Of course I see Western propaganda, but at least Western propaganda pretends to benefit me. So I would rather pretend to believe in Western progaganda than Chinese propaganda. „Humans are humans“ is dangerously naive in a world full of thug nations.

Propaganda does not benifit you. It benifits the state. To think that the state's goals are your own is a symptom of being poisoned by propaganda.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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What is going on here with the comment section? Seems like it's flooded with pro ccp activists

I didn't read the comments but 1. it could be flooded with pro cpp activists, it's a known fact that China pays people to influence forums 2. It may be difficult to understand for Americans, but (I think) some people here are "pro-china" as they see China as an alternative to US imperialism, or at least something that can be less harmful. Personally, my wife is Taiwanese so I'm extremely concerned about China in a ve…

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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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> West's psychological struggles to come to terms with its own historically unprecedented imperial past, than it does about China itself. oh come on. we criticise China because it’s whole political system, that was set up very recently btw, fights against basic rights we take for granted in the West. not because of what the romans or european empires did hundreds of years ago, but because of what China is doing right…

Whilst I readily admit that focussing my attention on the West's criticism of China depletes my limited resources to affect positive change in China, I actually believe I am ultimately having a greater impact. What I'm saying is that if we truly have China's, or namely humanity's best interests at heart when we criticise China, then we could profoundly increase our effectiveness if we demonstrated even just a basic u…

you are cherry-picking history in order to further your narrative about exploitation.

in reality, humanity has been at war for millennia. the chinese have been at war with all their neighbours for centuries. slavery has been the status-quo until 200 years ago.

you are also assuming just because some politician is immoral than people will also be immoral. this is false.

does this have anything to do with how the chinese government treats its citizens in the present? not at all

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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You don't understand why your own nation isn't following the tantrums of a totalitarian regime? That would make your own nation into China, why the heck would you want that?!

We wouldn't be turning into China if we only banned Chinese companies, if we only blacklisted/punished western companies that spread CCP propaganda (nine-dash line, calling Taiwan a province of China, etc). To quote HN user stale2002: Tit for tat reciprocity is the basis of most modern trade relations.

Banning Chinese companies is actually a ban on Americans using Chinese companies. As tempting as it is to retaliate or perhaps extract national economic gain, It must be done sparingly, if at all, as it as a reductions in freedom for American citizens.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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You call it jingoism. I call it rise against dictatorships destroying democracy's way of life.

Is that so? Have you noticed which country is the source of this war against evil communist dictatorship? The US. Now, let's take a step back and consider some facts 1. China has not attacked any country in a long time. 2. The champions of free speech and democracy have destroyed millions just this last 20 years. Seems to me the villains are the ones screaming the loudest against their economic rival. You really thin…

1. Flat out false, they are actively engaging in border skirmishes with India, and they are actively antagonizing every single neighbouring country (with virtually all of whom they have border disputes), not to mention Taiwan.

2. Millions of what? And what’s the relevance of this?

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