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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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You call it jingoism. I call it rise against dictatorships destroying democracy's way of life.

Democracy doesn't work.

Even the United States isn't genuinely democratic as most representative hold stock in various companies.

The best way to influence congress in the United States is to lobby, not vote.

And even in the ways that democracy works in the United States, most issues are in a deadlock position.

How long has the United States argued over abortion? the past, what, half century?

And we still go back and forth.

The United States is crumbling right now due to this deadlock with each party looking to overturn the changes that the previous leadership has overturned and so on and so forth.

Democracy is dying.

My ignorance is not as valuable as your knowledge, but this is precisely what democracy implies.

This isn't to say I advocate for Authoritarian governments either, but they do get rid of the levels of bureaucracy and levels of administration to administer changes, whereas in an authoritarian government is way more efficient to deal with changes.

I'd advocate for a benevolent authoritarian, but it doesn't mean that the successor, or the next, won't be a complete asshole, which is why authoritarian is dangerous.

However, the form of government that I would truly advocate for is a meritocratic oligarchy where the few would have absolute rule, but deserve to have that absolute rule in the sense they are benevolent, just, but wise and efficient at the same time.

Democracy is dying. I have absolutely no hope for this deadlock and polarization between the the factions of the United States, especially when most representatives are sellouts to corporations.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Radical islamic terrorism was going on way before 2001.

I didn't write radical Islamic terrorism didn't exist before 2001, I wrote it emerged at never before seen scales.

And I have plenty of data to back that statement. In Western Europe Islamic terrorism was pretty much a non-issue [0].

It only started becoming an issue after 2003, after the invasion of Iraq, when AQ conducted attacks on Madrid and London, respectively Spain and UK, both countries being part of the coalition of the "willing" that invaded Iraq.

That was very much a direct response, one that previously wouldn't have been possible as AQ lacked the resources and people in Western Europe to conduct these kinds of operations. They got these resources and people when the US declared them "enemy #1" and started bombing and invading Muslim countries, displacing Muslims as refugees deep into Western Europe [1], many of them holding resentments over what happened to them and their countries as their worst fears about what an "American crusade" [2] would actually entail in reality.

Over time AQ Iraq, which under Saddam wasn't even a thing, would ultimately turn into ISIS, an ISIS that parades its prisoners around in very similar uniforms [3] to those the US paraded them around, which is not a coincidence, it's a direct reference [4].

Even when you look at the global picture, this "war on terrorism" did the same as the "war on drugs" had; It didn't end terrorism, it made it thrive [5].

Anybody who looks at that and declares it "settled" does not understand the kind of impact this had on literally the whole world.

[0] https://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-p...

[1] https://earthtime.org/stories/global_refugee_crisis_the_big_...

[2] https://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu.html

[3] https://twitter.com/syricide/status/505043264907804672

[4] https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/u-s-military-now-says-is...

[5] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fatalities-from-terrorism...

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Well yeah, you're self selecting for people who a. Left China b. Are talking to a foreigner about politics CCP maintains considerable support among the mainland population.

> a. Left China b. Are talking to a foreigner about politics This is a weird form of racism I see from a lot of people coming from a Chinese perspective, and it's very arrogant and abrasive. When a Chinese person is outside of China, they are the foreigner. Walking around the U.S. and calling people laowai is really a... questionable choice.

It’s more of a lost in translation - we use _laowai_ as a convenient word. When I just came to US, I sometimes still “translate” what I want to express from Chinese first, so I even called the other fellow US students “foreigner” once when talking about a cultural difference. “Foreigners tends to do XXX while we(Chinese) do YYY”

He laughed and thought it was funny

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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This is a great example of one of the tactics CCP deploys. Whataboutism. As shown to be actually happening (does not give facts showing it happens on HN but I personally think it's reasonable, or at least not unfathomable) by this recent HN top thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29654137

> This is a great example of one of the tactics CCP deploys. Whataboutism.

And comments like this are a great example of propaganda methods employed by nation states since even before WWI [0];

"All who doubt our propaganda are traitors."

It's also nothing really new for me, I got plenty of similar insults and accusations thrown at me, mostly by Americans, when I opposed the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. I was called a "terrorist supporter" and "freedom hater" for not just running after blatant lies.

Wasn't alone with that, large parts of the world felt similar, literally the largest protest event in human history [0]

In that context this whole situation feels like quite the dejavu; It's the same Five Eyes countries leading the charge, it's the same organization peddling lies. Yet bringing up these similarities shall be considered "propaganda" because "Bringing up Iraq is something that only Russian/Chinese trolls do!".

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsehood_in_War-Time#Receptio...

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Which democracy are you responding to? Japan? Taiwan? South Korea? Lithuania? Australia? India? France? Germany? Canada? There are more democracies being threatened by China than just US.

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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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That is one big false équivalence. The mistreatment of minorities by the CCP is not the same thing as the mistreatment of minorities by the USA. Or did I miss the news about the black lives matter forced sterilisations?

You missed the part where the USA killed off most of the native population of its western side and drove them off their lands, yes. Different times, but maybe that's just the thing to do to get to superpower status and China's just catching up.

If you're referring to Xinjiang, China's ahead of the USA, not behind it. China emptied out Xinjiang in the eighteenth century; the people there today are not indigenous.

Of course, the government at the time was not Chinese, and the Emperor pursued this course over the objections of his Chinese advisors...

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I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as China and North Korea, to 'see for yourself', especially when you don't know the language, when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see, like VICE did in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ That being said, if you go then please try to walk into a random h…

> I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as China and North Korea, to 'see for yourself', especially when you don't know the language, when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as USA since they searched phones at the border and you could be…

The difference is that in the USA the media is allowed, and does cover this. In China, there is absolute suppression of free speech/media/religion, and the active internment of people who dissent.

You can't even compare the USA and China; China is objectively less free and more repressive.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Whataboutism is very relevant. If A is accusing B of eating babies, then why shouldn't B - or anyone, for that matter - not point out that A is also eating babies and raping old ladies? What you call "pro CCP people" is just people outside the sphere of influence of A. In your environment it's been normalized to hate on China for any reason. You're likely being brainwashed 24/7 or a paid troll.

Whataboutism has nothing to do with morality. If country A does something bad it doesn't mean that it is not actually bad because country B did something similar. Do you find it interesting that anytime there is a thread about the US doing something bad that nobody jumps in and say well China did the same thing? It only goes one way. That is why I am calling it out. The reason why it goes one way is because people wh…

You make some good points but I am not completely convinced you're arguing in good faith. Do you have any cases of "pro CCP" content reaching the front page here? Because the opposite happens multiple times a day. Context matters. Pointing out blatant hypocrisy has nothing to do with supporting whatever the current boogie man is.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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I really love how we all have an impression of China as a country without access to global internet, but then there are things like "Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead". Really makes you want to visit and see how this actually works for yourself. The more I read about China, the more unbelievably contradictive it gets.

You should be sceptical of all the news about China that come from the West.

Because it doesn't match the one message from the central government?

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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I dont know if you are being naive or a troll. In any case, for the benefit of other people reading this thread: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://theintercept.com/2014/09/25/managing-nightmare-cia-m... https://theintercept.com/2019/10/22/terrorism-fbi-political-... https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2016/11/5/13533838/history-...

This is bad. But the fact that you can post links to articles written by journalists here is proof enough that this was not okay and unacceptable. Do you have articles about similar things happening in China by Chinese media?

The first article is from Wikipedia so you are being highly disingenuous. The second thing is that it is pretty much okay and acceptable since this has never stopped. You seem to believe that if the US does something wrong and it is reported then everything is fine in the world, well, no. This guy went to jail for revealing that the drone attacks were ineffective and amounted to criminal actions:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/27/former-intelli...

I can read about it, that does not make it even 0.0001% better.

Since you asked:

https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3160705/year-chin...

The problem with most westerners is that they just simply dont understand China. Just read this, relax, it is from Harvard, not from Xi's wumao army

https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

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