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Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by imbnwa »

ubercow13 wrote: post #217
imbnwa wrote: post #168

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On a lower frequency, this similar to why I'm not interested in tourism as "self-discovery", "new experience", or some shit, like the rest of the world is just stage and props for my existential theatre. I'm not gonna change as a human unless I actually move there to live permanently. Even worse, the middle-class trend to make the number of distinct places you've visited some form of social currency ("how many stamps…

Do you really think you can't learn anything as a tourist?

Learn anything? Certainly you can realize the true scale of Angkor Wat.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by gavinray »

hker wrote: post #364
gavinray wrote: post #340

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Hey what sort of bullshit is this HN? I was reading a reply by a guy who counter-commented on this, a bunch of links of people on YouTube walking around this same area and not seeing anything like this. Then went to comment, and it says "flagged" and was deleted, in under 10 minutes. I don't really care about politics or China at all, but that is some spooky-tier censorship here on HN. Wtf is going on here? Here's on…

> a bunch of links of people on YouTube walking around this same area and not seeing anything like this. There is heavy tracking and surveillance in China [1], especially in Xinjiang [2][3]. Hence any reporting of Xinjiang, including the YouTube links you mentioned and posted, have selection bias. That is, unfavorable reports or videos are censored, while favorable videos are selected, if not outright sponsored as pa…

  > This sort of bullshit (sponsored videos) should not be promoted on HN.
Promoted or not, this is generally a community for having level-headed discussions about things.

The original commenter says "China is X way".

Someone responds and says "China is Y way."

Everyone ought to be able to upvote/downvote, and argue + discuss to their hearts content.

I have no horse in this race, but I would have expected the person to just get downvoted into oblivion or responded to with posts like yours, containing responding counter-arguments/links, if the majority of people disagree with or hold contrary evidence to.

My reaction was less to do it about it being anything specifically related to China, and more about the principle/premise of the matter.

It could equally have been "Person 1 says eggs are bad for you, Person 2 says eggs are good for you." and I would have had the same reaction.

Re: Steam has been banned in China

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Post by simonh »

torstenvl wrote: post #206
whimsicalism wrote: post #155

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Well yeah, you're self selecting for people who a. Left China b. Are talking to a foreigner about politics CCP maintains considerable support among the mainland population.

> a. Left China b. Are talking to a foreigner about politics This is a weird form of racism I see from a lot of people coming from a Chinese perspective, and it's very arrogant and abrasive. When a Chinese person is outside of China, they are the foreigner. Walking around the U.S. and calling people laowai is really a... questionable choice.

It’s simply writing about Chinese attitudes and experiences when abroad, and therefore using phrasing from the point of view of the person in question.

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Post by hulitu »

legofr wrote: post #85
foverzar wrote: post #36

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I really love how we all have an impression of China as a country without access to global internet, but then there are things like "Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead". Really makes you want to visit and see how this actually works for yourself. The more I read about China, the more unbelievably contradictive it gets.

I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as China and North Korea, to 'see for yourself', especially when you don't know the language, when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see, like VICE did in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ That being said, if you go then please try to walk into a random h…

> I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as China and North Korea, to 'see for yourself', especially when you don't know the language, when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see

I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as USA since they searched phones at the border and you could be treated like a criminal based on who knows what.

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Post by mads »

arbuge wrote: post #288
alisonatwork wrote: post #151

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Both. I have been refused access to a place because the landlord was openly racist and didn't want to rent to me after she found out I was a foreigner. There is pretty much no recourse for foreigners who are victims of racism in China, it's an extremely racist country. When you're a foreigner you just kinda have to accept that there are people who will cross the street or shield their kids when they see you, loudly c…

This is weird. Definitely not my experience at all. I visited Shanghai, Beijing, and Chengdu in China in 2012 and I felt extremely welcome wherever I went. I might also add that in Chengdu, a city which sees considerably less foreigners than the other two, I felt like I was being treated like somewhat of a celebrity, with people smiling at me everywhere, and random passer-bys on the street trying to impress me with t…

All the cities you mention are tier one Potemkin cities.

Try go to the country side to see the real China.

For the racism part, I wouldn't say that signs with "no foreigners" in shops are common, but I have seen them a couple of times during my 5 year stay in China.

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Post by themitigating »

gavinray wrote: post #355
andrewxdiamond wrote: post #349

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I encourage you to apply occam's razor here. I don’t think any political entity has any interest in controlling what individuals post on a tiny website like HN.

Here is the post that has vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=29684814 > I don’t think any political entity has any interest in controlling what individuals post on a tiny website like HN. I wish I could pull a cached view of the comment up (I tried), there wasn't anything I would interpret as being inflammatory in there. The comment boiled down to: "VICE isn't what I'd call the most reputable/unbiased so…

There are other rules that are unrelated to being objective or respectful

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Post by sgjohnson »

angio wrote: post #334
sgjohnson wrote: post #256

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Not really. The Iraq war was horrible and unnecessary and I doubt you’ll find too many people here who’ll say otherwise. But it was the past and it’s settled. China is happening now.

Aren't Guantanamo Bay and other torture camps (black sites as they are known now) still open?

They are, and it’s horrible.

But they key difference is that you won’t really see anyone downplaying them or outright denying their existence.

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Post by flavius29663 »

freeflight wrote: post #368
_-david-_ wrote: post #321

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> Please return your 50 cents to the CCP. Bewildering to see this kind of ad hominem on HN.

even if that is true, it has nothing to do with how China does things. This is literally how the "whataboutism" got it's name, look it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism#History

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