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The original comment was worse, although this one is not much better.
The Chinese government disagrees with you as well.
Not too interested in what an oligarchy has to say about human rights.
Steam has been banned in China
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Re: Steam has been banned in China
#342Note: this refers to the global Steam service/community - Valve still offers Steam China with a very limited/censored selection of mostly-Valve games, adhering to local child protection laws. Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead, as this Chinese version of Steam has only been available since February 2021.
I really love how we all have an impression of China as a country without access to global internet, but then there are things like "Most Chinese Steam users have historically been using the global service instead". Really makes you want to visit and see how this actually works for yourself. The more I read about China, the more unbelievably contradictive it gets.
I have been there more then once. Most of the web outside of China is blocked. The government actively blocks VPNs and any long lived connections (more then a few minutes) that cannot be identified is dropped. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.
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> We love China too, just not the communist party. I lived in singapore for 10 years until recently moving to Taiwan, this is basically the view of everyone from China I met. “I love China but I hate the government, that’s why I left” It’s a shame because the actions of the CCP are making people blame Chinese people. But the majority of people from China that I’ve met are awesome.
Well yeah, you're self selecting for people who a. Left China b. Are talking to a foreigner about politics CCP maintains considerable support among the mainland population.
>CCP maintains considerable support among the mainland population
How much of that is genuine support vs saying the party line to avoid persecution?
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Facing discrimination when you are foreigner is pretty common in most countries. I think if you are from the white diaspora you wouldn't have noticed in the western countries but every time a friend (I am from India) goes to countries in NA & EU, there is almost always some form of discrimination preventing access to service or being overcharged without legal intervention.
"White diaspora" is blowing my mind a bit. I think I would have been slapped by my social studies teachers if I ever used that phrase to describe colonialism. (I'm white, US)
Visiting or living in foreign countries for business or tourism is not "colonialism".
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You missed the part where the USA killed off most of the native population of its western side and drove them off their lands, yes. Different times, but maybe that's just the thing to do to get to superpower status and China's just catching up.
No one missed this because Americans are educated in these atrocities from their early years in school. On the other hand, such a record of atrocities committed by the CCP is not taught in Chinese schools. The Hundred Flowers Campaign, the reconstitution of Tibet and the sending of its natives to work camps by the half million have been erased from the record.
Will there be reparations or is the US going to keep the lands? Is it OK if the Chinese do it now and teach their schoolchildren about it 100 years later?
Looking from the outside this just looks like pulling up the ladder. "Oh we did kill them off but that was years ago. These other countries, though..."
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China seems more anti-game than it seems pro-profit in this case. Otherwise why limit children to 3 hours per week of gaming? Why ban images of “effeminate men”? To me, China seems to be preparing.
> To me, China seems to be preparing. This is a really interesting perspective. If China is trying to masculinize its teenage male population, we could see it engage in conflict as soon as these teenagers grow into adults at their physical prime, 6-8 years from now. I think it's entirely likely that China will attempt to annex Taiwan within the next 10 years. I think we will also see China be one of the first countri…
Yes China seems to have a very long term perspective with their five year plans that they seem to take very seriously.
Couple that with the treatment China received in the Opium Wars, Rape of Nanking, etc.
I type on computers for a living so take it with a grain of salt. But it seems to me China was on top technologically for thousands of years. Then they suffered humiliations for hundreds of years. And I think they’re done with that.
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#347What is going on here with the comment section? Seems like it's flooded with pro ccp activists
On hn, we should try to engage with peoples ideas, and be careful about attributing motives and dismissing people.
That said, I’ve seen a lot of pro ccp posts in the last few months. If we hypothetically say there are state manipulators on hn becoming active, what is the most mature way to respond to the situation?
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> If that's gone, I'm going to have a hard time not making the CCP my mortal enemy Wouldn't be a bad choice, regardless of what happens with Steam.
The Chinese government != the Chinese people. Whenever geopolitics separates artists from their audiences, it’s just sad. It’s in a similar vein of when total war is waged; the governments talk a big game but it’s the common, every day people who suffer. If you have an axe to grind be advised to make sure it’s targeted at the right people.
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I'm personally opposed to the idea of visiting certain countries, such as China and North Korea, to 'see for yourself', especially when you don't know the language, when you're not willing to risk your life to understand and uncover the parts the government doesn't want you to see, like VICE did in Xinjiang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ That being said, if you go then please try to walk into a random h…
Hey what sort of bullshit is this HN? I was reading a reply by a guy who counter-commented on this, a bunch of links of people on YouTube walking around this same area and not seeing anything like this. Then went to comment, and it says "flagged" and was deleted, in under 10 minutes. I don't really care about politics or China at all, but that is some spooky-tier censorship here on HN. Wtf is going on here? Here's on…
I encourage you to apply occam's razor here. I don’t think any political entity has any interest in controlling what individuals post on a tiny website like HN.
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The Chinese government != the Chinese people. Whenever geopolitics separates artists from their audiences, it’s just sad. It’s in a similar vein of when total war is waged; the governments talk a big game but it’s the common, every day people who suffer. If you have an axe to grind be advised to make sure it’s targeted at the right people.
When did I attack the people themselves? It's the Party I said should be stood up against.
On second read that’s fair. As long as we separate the people from the government/party!