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Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by throwaway55421 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #69
daenz wrote: post #37

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We sacrificed the mental health of the young for the physical health of the old.

My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents. A pretty large number of kids are raised by "the old", too. https://www.prb.org/resources/more-u-s-children-raised-by-gr...

You are conflating the emotion of grief with mental disorders.

It's pretty common nowadays, I find it quite strange.

My grandfather died when I was younger and it sucked. I still miss him.

But I could go to his funeral and hang out with my friends in the bar, go on holiday, study hard at University, etc, employ all of the normal time tested coping mechanisms.

Coronavirus restrictions deliberately took and removed almost everything it means to be human from people.

Sitting inside and only interacting with the world through a screen is obviously hilariously unhealthy.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by rootusrootus »

stubish wrote: post #209
rootusrootus wrote: post #34

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> what level of risk and mortality are we prepared to accept IMO, the rational answer to this question is 'the same risk and mortality that we have already accepted from influenza.' There is a lot of variability there, of course, but it is way above zero in any case.

I don't think this is quite right. The risk from COVID is in addition to the risk from influenza, and much of the mitigation affects both . Changes like common mask wearing may not have been considered 'worth it' for only lessening mortality and the economic costs of influenza, but the economic benefits alone of reduced productivity due to influenza and COVID combined may mean it is the obvious choice now for governm…

I am not convinced. Influenza has a pretty wide range, typically 12-52K a year (in the US). Doubling that top number would put it about 20% of the covid deaths we are seeing in 2021. Both diseases disproportionately punish people who are the least productive members of society (based on age alone); I don't think businesses are going to be volunteering to enforce mask mandates themselves. And the government is already showing considerably less enthusiasm than a year ago. Citizens are tiring of the masks, as evidenced by the waning compliance rate.

Vaccines, on the other hand, seem promising. Though the effective mutation rate seems quite a lot lower than influenza and there are good reasons to believe that the covid boosters will be considerably more durable than the original shots. If it really did come down to getting a booster every year, though, I think a lot of people would be okay with that if it meant no more attempts at lockdowns and mask mandates.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by rootusrootus »

phonypc wrote: post #56
rootusrootus wrote: post #34

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> what level of risk and mortality are we prepared to accept IMO, the rational answer to this question is 'the same risk and mortality that we have already accepted from influenza.' There is a lot of variability there, of course, but it is way above zero in any case.

That would seem to make sense if covid displaced flu entirely. But flu + equivalently harmful covid is twice as bad as historical flu.

Double the normal flu rate would be just 20% of what we're seeing this year from covid.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by chana_masala »

jbd28 wrote: post #235
chana_masala wrote: post #212

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> Within that context the debate is pointless: VAERS is not intended to settle arguments, it is intended to gather possibly useful data. Sounds like you've got this one in the bag, then!

Enjoy the silo you’ve dropped yourself in

Thank you, it's quite nice here.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by chana_masala »

jacquesm wrote: post #216
chana_masala wrote: post #212

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> Within that context the debate is pointless: VAERS is not intended to settle arguments, it is intended to gather possibly useful data. Sounds like you've got this one in the bag, then!

I will bow out here, if you don't mind.

No, I don't mind at all.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by chana_masala »

oezi wrote: post #218
chana_masala wrote: post #202

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The author has a $1 million dollar offer to debate him and prove him wrong.

Sounds like he is part of the anti-vax bullshit industry. Question is why you are regurgitating it? Do you believe any of it?

...industry?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by wiseowise »

objektif wrote: post #79
wiseowise wrote: post #41

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But hey, grandma gets to live another year now. Who cares if the poor family never recovers after financial crisis.

I am sure anyone can recover from financial troubles. It is possible.. The other one? Not so much...

Yep! Anyone can pull themselves by their bootstraps.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by wiseowise »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #172
pilsetnieks wrote: post #48

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Now inverse that statement and see where it takes you, and what it tells about you as a human being.

Downvoters: you want your elders (and not just them) to die and countless others to suffer long-term consequences of a disease not yet fully understood just to earn some money right now and keep the endless rat race going as it is; you make me sick.

And you make me sick with your ignorant, shortsighted vision of the problem.

Reducing economic crisis to "just to earn some money right now" is borderline idiotic.

I'm waiting for a time when we'll start investigating economic and mental impact on different layers of society.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by chana_masala »

rtsil wrote: post #185
chana_masala wrote: post #164

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I'm pretty baffled by this reply. It used to be (last year?) common knowledge that children were largely unaffected by covid. I guess the vaccine rollout has changed people's minds, but it hasn't changed the data. https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...

> children were largely unaffected by covid The issue is not with that, it's with your second claim re: large risk with the vaccine. That's the claim that needs to be substantiated.

It's substantiated in the link...
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