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This is unequivocally incorrect.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...
That is a substantial misinterpretation of the data.
Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…
> Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to grind pretend to think that. Given widespread availability of vaccines, I think it is acceptable to turn away any non vaccinated people without medical exemptions to preserve hospit…
Would you also be of the opinion that, due to the widespread availability of healthy food options and Richard Simmons exercise videos it's acceptable to turn away the overweight to preserve hospital capacity?
Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
#183So it's the same as other coronaviruses like HCoV-OC43. There's no vaccine available for those other ones so most of us get infected as youths, and the resulting immunity protects us as we age. But they can still be dangerous to immunologically naive older patients. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7252012/
it's been obvious since march of last year that this was the inevitable outcome of covid, yet we've spent nearly two years hand-wringing and fearmongering over it. it's the novelty of the virus combined with the general unpreparedness of our immune systems (obesity, sickness of all sorts, and age correlate with lowered immune preparedness) that's created this wave of initial severity as the virus works it's way to a…
I think it has been pretty clear for a very long time that covid is something we will all get, and that it might even become something bot unlike the seasonal flu.
The message has to my ears been "less contact = less infection = better access to healthcare for those who really need it".
What would you suggest instead? I am all for discussing the losses contra gains of lockdowns, but I dont think any options have sounded much better.
Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
This article is pretty much garbage. You need to compare getting myocarditis from vaxx vs covid. And chances of getting it from covid is ~11x higher.
Myocarditis didn't become a concern until the jabs were rolling out
From vaccination no, but from COVID it has been a concern right from day #1.
Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
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Without a reputable source for these claims you're just spreading misinformation.
I'm pretty baffled by this reply. It used to be (last year?) common knowledge that children were largely unaffected by covid. I guess the vaccine rollout has changed people's minds, but it hasn't changed the data. https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...
> children were largely unaffected by covid
The issue is not with that, it's with your second claim re: large risk with the vaccine. That's the claim that needs to be substantiated.
Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
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Who's "we" and what makes you think they have any control over the matter?
Well, many governments reinstating restrictions, for one. These work to slow the spread, which given the innocuous nature of Omicron, seem more damaging than helpful. Not that any government ever considered second order effects of these policies to begin with...
Many of these restrictions were put in place because the effects of Omicron were uncertain when they were decided. If these early results bear out, I'm sure we'll start seeing the easing of some restrictions again very quickly.
Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
sorry, being 'an expert' has no bearing on the veracity of your claims. and further, claiming the nominative of 'expert' tends to negatively correlate with veracity. at best, you're an expert at the thing you study deeply, not the whole field. you perhaps may be more knowledgeable about different aspects of a given field, but that doesn't give you extraordinary powers of insight or reasoning. the exact opposite of yo…
We're no longer talking about the subject matter, but there is absolutely value in knowing whether an opinion is informed by expertise or not. I did not "appeal to expertise", I merely signalled that I had expertise in the field. This has value. I suspect that a small minority of Hacker News participants are biochemists/biologists/life scientists, so the default assumption when you read comments on these topics is th…
> “…it is usually a very good idea to defer to expertise.”
this is exactly what i’m pointedly disagreeing with. expertise gives you no such esteem to have others defer to you by default. what it does confer is an expectation of novel (to the non-expert) information and perhaps reasoning, but explicitly not deference. we are all often wrong, especially in our areas of expertise because of the disproportionate amount of time we spend in that area. have some humility that you may bring a relatively unique or more considered perspective to the table, but not infallibility or almighty ‘truth’.
and earnest consideration of an ‘expert’ opinion is the best you should hope for. all the rest is by definition beyond the realm of science and into the realm of (small p) political. that is, expertise signalling is always an appeal to authority, no matter the magnitude or centrality of the claim. only the reasoning/evidence matters, not the titles of the person presenting them. you may expect some correlation there but should never assume it.
(note that i’ve also scienced in my past life, if that meta-information matters to you in the way you seem to believe it should.)
Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
#188Finally some glimmers of hope in moving past Covid.. if Omicron continues on its current track of highly infectious but less serious —- and infection confers reactive immunity to a variety of strains, we could be closer to the endemic but manageable end game. Good vaccines + mild severity illness are basically the best case. What a stroke of luck that we are here vs a more infectious strain of Delta or some other nig…
> Good vaccines + mild severity illness are basically the best case. If it was a common cold or a flu ? Maybe. > “Although COVID-19 has been described as a respiratory syndrome, evidence supports the involvement of multiple organ systems, with fibrosis, and inflammation in the lung, heart, kidneys, central nervous system (CNS), liver, adrenal glands, bone marrow, lymph nodes, and gastrointestinal tract. SARS-CoV-2 in…
I'm not sure why we wouldn't be able to go back to normal, and taking a stance that we never will strikes me as somewhat defeatist.
I'm more of an optimist. Having a small percentage of the population that's at greater risk of serious implications from infection (respiratory or otherwise) is something we've learned to live with before (see: the flu) without masks, mandates, or dramatically rearranging the way we live.
Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
From examining Swedish death spike data, you can see that viruses like COVID occur about once a decade, the last being Swine Flu in 2009: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-... Its just that, using Swedish data again, Western societies are significantly more aged: eg. there 120,000 80-84 year old men (prime COVID death territory) in 2020, vs only 101,000 in 2009. Its similar in many other Wes…
I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death - they prevent it, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky
Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
From examining Swedish death spike data, you can see that viruses like COVID occur about once a decade, the last being Swine Flu in 2009: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-... Its just that, using Swedish data again, Western societies are significantly more aged: eg. there 120,000 80-84 year old men (prime COVID death territory) in 2020, vs only 101,000 in 2009. Its similar in many other Wes…
I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.
It would seem fairly important to actually ask the grandmas what they think about this, rather than decide on their behalf.
The four elderly members of our immediate family are all fairly adamant that the young have suffered enough, and "hell, yes" they want to see their grandkids, and no, they aren't asking about vaccinations and negative tests.
I'm minded to respect their opinions.