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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by hker »

dirtyid wrote: post #384
hker wrote: post #360

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> is bitterwinter.org a reliable source? The bitterwinter.org article, which is clearly labeled as Op-Ed: 1. reports that BCI Shanghai contradicts BCI headquarter (which you can independently verify, as there are other news sources supporting this, such as the SCMP article I just added). 2. argues that the local branch (BCI Shanghai) could be under pressure for operating in China (the quoted text above). If you don’t…

Literally the first reference/citation of "Broad Daylight" is attributed to Zenz. The Washington post does no additional verification but attribute to "researchers" who will no doubt also quote Zenz. It's also Washington Post. There are no verifiable sources alleging coerced labour that doesn't trace back to Zenz. Bitterwinter or HKFP are also far from reliable, on par with Epochetimes bias. >Hugo Boss Chinese branch…

The “Broad Daylight” is an academic research, which necessarily cites related work or previous work, including of Zenz.

This is how academic research works. Citing Zenz per se does not make the the “Broad Daylight” less credible.

If people are against Zenz, please judge the “Broad Daylight” report by ignoring all reference to and evidence provided by Zenz.

If you find specific flaws with “Broad Daylight”, please list them so that we can discuss.

Saying that it cites Zenz is just pointing out how academic research works, and does not invalidate the report.

> Bitterwinter or HKFP are also far from reliable, on par with Epochetimes bias.

Bitterwinter is not used as a news source here, just an Op-Ed, because all needed reporting are supported by other news sources such as SCMP.

HKFP is just reporting what Hugo Boss headquarter and its Chinese branch are doing, with links to sources. You can follow the links to judge for yourself [1], or find alternative sources reporting the same [2]: Hugo Boss Chinese branch is making unauthorized Weibo post contradicting the Hugo Boss global headquarter.

So the local branch does not represent the headquarter [2], just like BCI Shanghai does not represent BCI headquarter (as reported by SCMP).

[1]: https://group.hugoboss.com/fileadmin/media/pdf/sustainabilit... "HUGO BOSS Statement on the Chinese region of Xinjiang"

[2]: https://www.reuters.com/article/china-xinjiang-hugo-boss-idI... "Chinese celebs, netizens slam 'two-faced' Hugo Boss over Xinjiang"

(And no, HKFP is more credible than Epochtimes, as [2] just validated the HKFP reporting, but this is a red herring for the current discussion.)

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by ModernMech »

mthoms wrote: post #335
FooBarWidget wrote: post #233

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Yes people can judge for themselves. Having said that, I believe I also have some say in how I think I should be judged, and that I am allowed to push back at others' attempts to put me in a box. I am not "pro-CCP". I only look that way because western mainstream media is so full of anti-China propaganda that anyone who deviates from mainstream opinion look like pro-CCP. (At this point, some will say "we are only aga…

You may not be a paid shill (I’m certainly not accusing you of it - that would be against the rules) but your behaviour is indeed curious for someone who is trying to not look like one. For instance, why are you trying to get in touch with other HN’ers with a history of pro-China commentary? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29615344 Don’t be surprised that people are suspicious. And it’s not because of a differen…

Why is it suspicious that an HNer wants to get in touch with a like-minded individual?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by silisili »

dnautics wrote: post #292
silisili wrote: post #274

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> The hardest to find was a power drill. Depending on where you live and what you like....DeWalt and high end Craftsman make drills in the USA. Makita makes some in Japan. I believe Bosch does some in Germany, but don't quote me on that.

DeWalt, Craftsman and Makita all had "made in china". Bosch was not (I think it's thailand). Maybe i was too low-end.

Yeah, on the low end you're out of luck. It's the top end stuff that's made in USA. About 120ish for a drill, vs say, 30 for some Ryobi.

Model to Google for Craftsman is CMCD720

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #57
ekianjo wrote: post #3

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probably close to 100% of them. It will be difficult to organize a boycott. The next best thing is to rank them by order of who knelt the fastest to China.

I very much doubt close to 100% of companies have issued apologies to china

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by 1_player »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #57
ekianjo wrote: post #3

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probably close to 100% of them. It will be difficult to organize a boycott. The next best thing is to rank them by order of who knelt the fastest to China.

I very much doubt close to 100% of companies have issued apologies to china

I would bet 100% of Western publicly traded companies that sell in China have issued apologies not to lose any revenue and mindshare from the Chinese market.

revenue > mission statement

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by perihelions »

joshuajill wrote: post #76

Interestingly, small companies like FairPhone work to improve their suppliers' labor conditions. Intel of all the companies is in a position to do the same or more. However they choose to whitewash their brand by blaming the chinese government of their lack of care. Their hypocrisy backfired, and they let China win on all counts. Ironically they ended up helping whitewash the chinese government.

A quick search shows as of 2019, Fairphone's suppliers included the Chinese company O-Film [0], which at the time was using forced labor from Xinjiang. They probably had no way of knowing this; Apple [1] was burned by the same firm. The company transported Uyghur victims to a factory southern China (Jiangxi in the Bloomberg article), so Xinjiang wasn't indicated as part of the supply chain anywhere.

How much actual impact do these kinds of corporate efforts accomplish? How much merit should we credit these "best-effort" attempts, when when's all said and then, there's still (probably) concentration camp labor in the end product?

[0] https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/FP3_Lis... (page 12, "cameras")

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-17/shares-of...

>"The Australian Strategic Policy Institute said in a report last year that Ofilm used at least 700 Uyghur laborers from Xinjiang at a factory in the southern province of Jiangxi. The workers were sent there in late April 2017 as part of a state-sponsored labor transfer program, the think tank said."

>"The Uyghurs were expected to “gradually alter their ideology” and express gratitude to China’s ruling Communist Party for their work assignments, the think tank said, citing Chinese-language news articles."

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by geofft »

dang wrote: post #314
nix23 wrote: post #100

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Please do not respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That just makes everything worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've had to warn you repeatedly in the past: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27875046 (July 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25826399 (Jan 2021) Continuing like this will get you banned here, so please don't.

Then you need to do a better job of moderating the bad comments in the first place. We're all trying to make HN a good and enjoyable place the best way we can, and you warn "both sides" like that helps anything.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by philliphaydon »

dang wrote: post #290
philliphaydon wrote: post #174

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China is involved in no less than 18 different border disputes. Is encroaching on India territory. Bribed Solomon Island government to switch. Refuses to abide by the law of the seas. Is debt trapping nations in Africa and claiming they aren’t because they don’t directly take control of the projects and instead have Chinese businesses buy large portions of ports and natural resources. Abusing trade agreements. Threat…

Please don't use HN for generic nationalistic flamewar. It's exactly what this site is not for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've unfortunately been doing this a ton - in fact you may even be using HN primarily for nationalistic battle at this point. That's seriously not ok (regardless of which country you have a problem with) and we ban accounts that do it. If you'd please review https://…

I can’t win with you can I. Basically mentioning the word “China” is to get a reply from you claiming I’m stating a flame war.

I stop replying to certain people or to comments cos you keep warning me with stuff not mentioned in guidelines, and now you’re claiming I think my country is superior. Basically you just don’t want any discussion that might invoke a response.

I even avoid replying to tombh insulting me and I still get in trouble.

What do you want me to fix exactly?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by silisili »

Lio wrote: post #399
silisili wrote: post #274

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> The hardest to find was a power drill. Depending on where you live and what you like....DeWalt and high end Craftsman make drills in the USA. Makita makes some in Japan. I believe Bosch does some in Germany, but don't quote me on that.

The Bosch Professional 18V drills (blue) are made in Malaysia. Sadly the battery packs are still made in china though. Battery tech seems to be a big problem in general.

What's interesting there is that internally, all of them use Samsung, made in Korea batteries.

They just assemble the case and circuitry in China.

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