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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by mrtranscendence »

joshuajill wrote: post #83
mxmilkiib wrote: post #80

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Why not both?

Sure, I avoid both to some extent. What worries me the most though is smart people taking sides based on mostly propaganda and feeding an escalation of a situation already on the brink of a war. I mean why choose between Chinese authoritarian regime and the US aggressive and destructive foreign policy?

But avoiding Chinese products doesn't necessarily mean taking a stand in a propaganda war. Is China using forced labor? If so, is that worth a response of some kind? These questions are orthogonal to whether the US is worth protesting for its own sins.

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Post by alkonaut »

OK intel I know I’m probably representing less revenue than China but I’m avoiding your products.

A letter of apology? To the Chinese regime?

Are there any companies who are giving the middle finger to the regime and paying the price? Name them so we can support them.

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Post by api »

mrweasel wrote: post #139

I really don't understand China, but China also don't care to understand the west one bit. China has zero cultural understand about anything beyond its borders and basically only survives on other cultures being either extremely flexible or completely dependent on China for manufacturing (or both). We're basically just waiting for companies to pull manufacturing from China, because they can deal with the backlash at…

China is in the same position as Saudi Arabia. They have something the rest of the world needs so they can do anything they want.

For China it’s cheap skilled labor. For Saudi it’s oil, gas, and loads of cash.

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Post by pjmlp »

alexfromapex wrote: post #200
pjmlp wrote: post #153

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We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

This is mostly the fault of big box retail stores sourcing most of their merchandise in China. It will take consumers totally boycotting Chinese merchandise in order for them to stop ordering more stuff from China.

Which is why consumers that care need to change their habits.

This doesn't apply only to China sourced goods.

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Post by MisterTea »

chang1 wrote: post #202
dnautics wrote: post #183

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> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that wil…

I picked up USA made waffle iron from C. Palmer Manufacturing. It's super basic and almost 2-3x more expensive than the first few results on Amazon, but it's great! ( https://cpalmermfg.com/waffle-irons.html ) Hope that helps with your waffle making.

At first I suspected made in USA could mean assembled in USA from Chinese castings and other parts. But man is it so freaking satisfying to see at the top of the page next to "About us" is a link to their tool and die shop. They're a freaking casting shop that decided to make waffle makers. Fantastic.

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Post by spaetzleesser »

dnautics wrote: post #183
smhenderson wrote: post #169

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It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that wil…

"Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that will probably break after a few runs"

I did this for a while but a lot of US manufacturers seem to like producing low quality items for a high price under the label "Made in USA".

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Post by shkkmo »

dnautics wrote: post #183
smhenderson wrote: post #169

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It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that wil…

Even if something doesn't say "Made in China", the chances are that many or most of it's components were made in China.

You have a bit better chances if you instead whitelist countries with stricter rules of origin (for example, Made in USA requires 50% of the components to be made here) but even then much of the supply chain for that item will probably trace back to China.

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Post by ZoomerCretin »

snovv_crash wrote: post #160
ZoomerCretin wrote: post #142

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Forced sterilization of an ethnicity is genocide, and there's no debate as to whether this is happening.

China has a population control policy. They've exempted minorities from this policy for decades. That they are now enforcing their laws equally is not genocide.

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Post by pc86 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #186
pc86 wrote: post #149

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Social credit is offensive and freedom-limiting by definition . You can't make any small-d-democratic argument in favor of a massive central social credit system because the two are antithetical. A vaccine passport system could turn into something similar, but that's not necessarily a given. It's the slippery slope fallacy taken to the extreme - "because it's possible to imagine a situation in which a vaccine passpor…

Zero trolling here. I am modestly in favour of a COVID-19 vaccine "passport". And yes, I have considered the oppression side of the argument. Why am I modestly in favour? Look at how yellow fever vaccination status is handled. In areas of the world where it is still endemic, travelers are denied entry without a recent vaccination and an official UN/WHO card to prove it. (Please leave aside for a moment the idea that…

I've never traveled anywhere yellow fever is endemic so I don't know a ton about it other than the vaccination requirements you mention.

I carry my vaccination card in my wallet so I'm not immediately opposed to some sort of verifiable way to confirm one's vaccination status. There are absolutely some instances where it makes sense to mandate it, but it's wrong to try to structure society so that you can't take part unless you're vaccinated. There's a point at which mandates and guidelines aren't helpful anymore and they become theater. I'm not going to put a mask on at the entrance to a restaurant, walk ten feet to a table, and take my mask off. That's theater.

I have unvaccinated family members. They're not changing their mind, I'm done trying to change it, but they're still in my family and they're not disowned or excommunicated because they happen to be wrong about something. Omicron seems as transmissible or slightly more-so, but much less deadly. That sounds like exactly what we thought multiple variants would lead to a year ago. It sounds like things are in the right track and we're on our way out of the forest, so to speak. But, government being government, I don't see mandates slowing or going away any time soon. I think what's here is here to stay, whether it works or not.

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Post by kwere »

viktorcode wrote: post #56

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sinocentrism is the belief in wich han culture is seen as superior and others need to assimilite or "go away". its a thousand old practice. most people seem compliacent with this view supported by the government. 92% of china is han and 56 minorities take the other 8%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinocentrism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_nationalism

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