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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by pjmlp »

smhenderson wrote: post #169
pjmlp wrote: post #153

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We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

Hence why I took care to hint as much as possible, definitely there are goods impossible to get elsewhere, others are relatively easy to find if one cares enough.

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Post by ekianjo »

tombh wrote: post #146
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Surely the soviets killing dozens of millions of russians and invading half of Europe is all the fault of the evil West.

Sounds like you went around the world with a narrative preset in your mind.

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Post by dnautics »

smhenderson wrote: post #169
pjmlp wrote: post #153

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We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China.

I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that will probably break after a few runs

The hardest to find was a power drill.

I suspect that much of this is labor costs in china going up and manufacturing moving to India, Pakistan, Thailand, vietnam

Also -- I don't buy much from Amazon anymore, so this is going to b&m establishments

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Post by tombh »

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China is involved in no less than 18 different border disputes. Is encroaching on India territory. Bribed Solomon Island government to switch. Refuses to abide by the law of the seas. Is debt trapping nations in Africa and claiming they aren’t because they don’t directly take control of the projects and instead have Chinese businesses buy large portions of ports and natural resources. Abusing trade agreements. Threat…

You are so out of your league here. Whilst you state facts, it is comical to imply that China can hold a candle to the West's atrocities. 18 different border disputes, 18!?? I mean how can you seriously think that's a big number? Just take the American continent itself. Honestly, think about it for a second, what if North America was inhabited by Mandarin-speakers from northern China and South America was inhabited by Cantonese-speakers from southern China? Of course with the occasional "Euro-towns" scattered around selling pizzas. It sounds like a dystopia doesn't it, so why was it ok for Europe to do that? Don't you see how blinded by propaganda you are?

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Post by throwaway2037 »

pc86 wrote: post #149
zivkovicp wrote: post #111

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How so? Even if the intent of such programs might be positive, is there not a risk of them being used to limit, coerce, or change user behaviour? (it wouldn't be the first time) Why is this such an offensive statement?

Social credit is offensive and freedom-limiting by definition . You can't make any small-d-democratic argument in favor of a massive central social credit system because the two are antithetical. A vaccine passport system could turn into something similar, but that's not necessarily a given. It's the slippery slope fallacy taken to the extreme - "because it's possible to imagine a situation in which a vaccine passpor…

Zero trolling here. I am modestly in favour of a COVID-19 vaccine "passport". And yes, I have considered the oppression side of the argument. Why am I modestly in favour? Look at how yellow fever vaccination status is handled. In areas of the world where it is still endemic, travelers are denied entry without a recent vaccination and an official UN/WHO card to prove it. (Please leave aside for a moment the idea that these cards can be fake. Assume they are accurate for this discussion.)

Almost by small-d-democratic definition, the yellow fever vaccine requirement is oppressive. However, it helps to reduce the spread of yellow fever.

Please provide your thoughts and comments.

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Post by pmontra »

marderfarker2 wrote: post #101
iszomer wrote: post #86

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Ever bought something you believed was Made in Japan but found out later it was actually Made in China ?

I don’t think inanimate objects can influence a person’s mind. However media can, especially when you see the same idea repeated everywhere.

If you always buy from A instead of from B, whoever they are, you start enjoying a familiarity with A that you don't have with B.

Then, not about minds but about money, you are helping A with your money instead of helping B and A eventually becomes more powerful than B.

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Post by tombh »

ekianjo wrote: post #182
tombh wrote: post #146

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Surely the soviets killing dozens of millions of russians and invading half of Europe is all the fault of the evil West. Sounds like you went around the world with a narrative preset in your mind.

Dozens of millions? You want to talk history? How many slaves were taken from Africa? How many Indians did Churcill starve? How many Native Americans died from colonialism?

You think you have a big number, but you don't even know the half of it.

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