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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by chadcmulligan »

chloerei wrote: post #59

As a Chinese, I think the logic of certain Western countries is ridiculous. Because Xinjiang’s human rights situation is considered to be problematic, so Xinjiang’s companies are banned. As an analogy, can I think that the human rights situation of African Americans is terrible, so I need to ban companies that employ African Americans? These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they…

> I have never heard complaints about forced labor.

So does this mean they don't exist?

> These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they may lose their jobs because of the ban.

but they are slave labour, so whether they have a job or not doesn't really matter? or would you say thats not the case? If so they could move and get a job somewhere else?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by throwawaylinux »

katbyte wrote: post #102
throwawaylinux wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word is pretty mainstream (at least in western countries) now. Check Urban Dictionary. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woke

your going to have to clarify, there is no consensus to be found in your link: * The act of being very pretentious about how much you care about a social issue * Deluded or fake awareness. * When you look at the simplest thing and call it racist because you want black people to be victims. Other minorities don't matter. - a black conservative * "Wokeness" occurs when a white, upper-class person pretends to hold opini…

You're wrong, there is a very strong consensus. The first few entries are highly up voted. Take the first 2 as a basic definition or idea of the concept and the 3rd one as an example.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by pxmpxm »

inglor_cz wrote: post #81
clavicat wrote: post #9

>Intel joined other prominent U.S. companies Monday pledging to do more to address systemic racism in the wake of the killing of an African-American man, George Floyd, by a police officer in Minneapolis. >“Black lives matter. Period,” CEO Bob Swan wrote in a memo to employees Monday, embracing the rallying cry of contemporary civil rights activists. “While racism can look very different around the world, one thing th…

It is the same as when Western branches of various multinational corporations redesign their logos in rainbow colors for the Pride month, but their Middle Eastern branches do not ... offending Islam or the CCP comes with enough downsides to make them think twice. I think the best default way how to view corporations is "perfectly immoral psychopathic beings always heeding the current Zeitgeist for maximum profit and…

The worse part, at least to me, is that that these shallow gestures presumably work, that somehow empty posturing on progressive-cause-du-jour actually does buy them goodwill in the western world.

It's either that, or this entire thing as a corporate strategy is run by some HR echo chamber with minimal forethought, and any downside is farmed out to external PR crisis management teams.

I'm starting to think it's the latter, given the amount of backpedalling and policy changes as of late (think google employee walkouts, publishers dealing with wrongthink books, netflix employees trying to scuttle the company's IP etc)

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by 323 »

tjpnz wrote: post #2

Is there a list of companies who've made similar apologies in the past? When presented with a choice I would prefer to avoid them.

In fashion: Nike, Versace, Coach, Givenchy, Calvin Klein, Asics, Swarovski, Dior

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by zivkovicp »

This is one of those "damned if you, and damned if you don't" type situations.

I'm sure all they really want is to maintain their margins, which makes turning the other cheek to potential human rights abuses that much more sinister... but making a commitment to higher ethical standards risks putting them out of business (Intel has been poorly managed for years already), which would make this a futile effort.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

ngc248 wrote: post #16
1cvmask wrote: post #5

Should we demand that companies avoid California suppliers as well because of the extensive use of prison labor: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-10-11/californ... https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/policing/2020/11/11/c... https://www.freedomunited.org/news/forced-prison-labor-in-ca...

Is it slave labour, I mean are they being forced to do it and not being paid for it, then sure boycott it. If NOT, and if it is an avenue for prisoners to earn money, benefits, then don't boycott it

> I mean are they being forced to do it and not being paid for it

Slavery is forced labor, which is orthogonal to being paid. If you are forced to work but are also paid (perhaps rare, but not unheard of), you are still a slave regardless of the pay. If you aren't being paid but aren't being forced to work, you aren't a slave (that's called volunteering.)

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by trasz »

mrloop wrote: post #61
einpoklum wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy. There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years. If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non…

The final judgement at https://chinatribunal.com makes somber reading about forced organ harvesting from prisoners in China and its increase in the last 20 years.

Funny how people blindly trust a private company with no public mandate just because they called themselves a “Tribunal” and call their press releases “judgements”.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by trasz »

roca wrote: post #64
einpoklum wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy. There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years. If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non…

I have personally spoken with mainland Chinese Christians who report increasing persecution there.

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by limoce »

chadcmulligan wrote: post #121
chloerei wrote: post #59

As a Chinese, I think the logic of certain Western countries is ridiculous. Because Xinjiang’s human rights situation is considered to be problematic, so Xinjiang’s companies are banned. As an analogy, can I think that the human rights situation of African Americans is terrible, so I need to ban companies that employ African Americans? These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they…

> I have never heard complaints about forced labor. So does this mean they don't exist? > These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they may lose their jobs because of the ban. but they are slave labour, so whether they have a job or not doesn't really matter? or would you say thats not the case? If so they could move and get a job somewhere else?

> So does this mean they don't exist?

Given GP never hears about forced labor, GP may want to express that the percentage of people who are being forced to labor is low, or nearly impossible. "sth doesn't exists" is somewhat extreme.

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