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Polish opposition duo hacked with NSO spyware

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Re: Polish opposition duo hacked with NSO spyware

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That's nice in theory but when you are personally dragged down right along with them then that it becomes a very practical problem.

Many Poles already left, many still will. It's a never ending brain drain since 2004.

where do you go to? Brexit Britain or MAGA Murica? Running away is not a good, long term solution.

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Israel banned Poland from using NSO spyware after this: https://wyborcza.pl/7,173236,27895266,israel-bans-polish-int... "On November 25, the Times of Israel reported that the Israeli government has banned the sales of Pegasus to autocratic regimes, as well as to the governments of Poland and Hungary. The list of countries to which Israeli surveillance companies can sell their spyware has been reduced from 102 to 37.…

>Times of Israel reported that the Israeli government has banned the sales of Pegasus to autocratic regimes, as well as to the governments of Poland and Hungary This may sound a little paranoid but I always treat declarations like this with a grain of salt.

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Re: Polish opposition duo hacked with NSO spyware

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It will take an enormous amount of effort and money to fix everything they brought down. But I believe in Poles - they rebuilt their capital from ruins after WW2, they made an enormous progress after they became a democracy, so no doubt they will also manage to fix everything the populists are destroying right now. But as you say - it's a pity Polish people lost a few years and lots of opportunities.

Destroying is a bit of an overstatement. Unfortunately we live in a political climate, not only in Poland, that whenever left-wing candidates lose an election, it's populism and backsliding on democracy. But if the candidate that was supposed to win, wins, companies are all foreign owned and NGOs control all spheres of life, then it's freedom and democracy.

In the case of Poland, traditional denominations left-right are meaningless. In economic terms, the current government is very leftist: it seeks the votes of the poorest citizens, increases the tax burden of those who earn above average and so on. In many aspects, they are very similar to past socialist governments before 1989. Paradoxically, the officially leftist party that actually ruled Poland for some time was quite progressive in economic terms.

So, regarding Poland, instead of using terms like 'left-right', it makes more sense to use something like the Nolan Chart. This would make the current government of Poland closer to the area of "authoritarian," that is, restricting both economic and personal freedom.

Re: Polish opposition duo hacked with NSO spyware

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That's nice in theory but when you are personally dragged down right along with them then that it becomes a very practical problem.

Many Poles already left, many still will. It's a never ending brain drain since 2004.

the only Polish citizen I know, went to England for work as a young man, worked hard for giant companies, got remote work and started his family in Poland. I have no updates but I thought he had a very decent house now in Poland, and was doing well with remote C++ work.

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As a Pole, it frustrates me to no end as the 90s and 2000s were the time of incredible optimism and opportunity, then the country joined the EU in 2004 you could see *everything" improving very very quickly, huge level of growth and opportunities for everyone, country slowly becoming more and more progressive too, and then PiS got elected and everything went to shit, 6 years down and I don't recognize this country or…

> then PiS got elected and everything went to shit, 6 years down and I don't recognize this country or its values anymore Is there concern this could impact Poland's NATO status in the long run? In the short run, of course not, it's strategically located. But in the long run, as values diverge, isn't there fear it could become untenable for a U.S. president to call for spilling American blood to protect such a countr…

Values-wise, Poland is still way closer to the West than, say, Turkey.

NATO has nothing to do with values, though - what matters is where the US wants its Air Force bases.

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Poland is able to keep its unemployment somewhat down, by keeping the zloty weak relative to the euro, and therefore helping Polish exports. And before anyone says "Poland has a lot of unemployment" compare it to other weak Eastern European countries on the euro. Poland could end inflation if it wanted higher unemployment, but for now it accepts the higher inflation and weaker zloty so as to help exports and so limit…

I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted. If you believe there is no link between the currency, inflation and employment then you're engaging in a well known economic fallacy. See "The Doctrine of Immaculate Transfer": https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/the-doctrine-of... "The fallacy comes in when you say, “Well, given that it’s all about spending imbalances, exchange rate policy has nothing to do with i…

I can’t downvote yet, but you can indeed lower unemployment without rampant inflation or devaluations.

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Poland is able to keep its unemployment somewhat down, by keeping the zloty weak relative to the euro, and therefore helping Polish exports. And before anyone says "Poland has a lot of unemployment" compare it to other weak Eastern European countries on the euro. Poland could end inflation if it wanted higher unemployment, but for now it accepts the higher inflation and weaker zloty so as to help exports and so limit…

I'm not sure why this is getting downvoted. If you believe there is no link between the currency, inflation and employment then you're engaging in a well known economic fallacy. See "The Doctrine of Immaculate Transfer": https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/12/the-doctrine-of... "The fallacy comes in when you say, “Well, given that it’s all about spending imbalances, exchange rate policy has nothing to do with i…

You are right, but unemployment in Poland has been very low for at least a decade now, while the inflation is a recent thing.

Re: Polish opposition duo hacked with NSO spyware

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Israel banned Poland from using NSO spyware after this: https://wyborcza.pl/7,173236,27895266,israel-bans-polish-int... "On November 25, the Times of Israel reported that the Israeli government has banned the sales of Pegasus to autocratic regimes, as well as to the governments of Poland and Hungary. The list of countries to which Israeli surveillance companies can sell their spyware has been reduced from 102 to 37.…

> banned the sales of Pegasus to autocratic regimes, as well as to the governments of Poland and Hungary.

So I guess Poland and Hungary are not autocratic regimes, from Israel's POV.

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I don't get what connection does the Brexit have to Poland, would you explain?

Poles who moved to Britain because they were all part of the EU and there was economic opportunity are now an entirely different status in Britain. Like an Oklahoman coming to California as an American, and then finding they're not anymore.

Your analogy isn't accurate, Poles in Britain still have EU passports so can move around as they wish.

It looks like a fair number of people applied for settled status in the UK just in case they wanted to use it to work part of the year here.

Brexit is bad but it is worse for native British people than those with EU passports.

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That's nice in theory but when you are personally dragged down right along with them then that it becomes a very practical problem.

It has a big impact on the EU as well when an EU country start flouting the EU laws.

Apparently not, because the EU doesn't seem to be up for enforcing them.
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