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Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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I know people that make more than 7 figures with one job. Is your friend located intentionally or something? Otherwise I don't see the point.

I assume these people you know aren’t lowly software engineers.

They are. Staff / L6 and above, with one lucky L5 due to particularly steep stock appreciation.

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How 'powerful' are employed? What is their employment status? At previous company CTO was in boards of another 5+ companies + owned partially another 2. How that works at 'that' level?

last cycle, I had two interviews on the same day for two different startups, and at both meetings one of the people in the room was the same, and yup they were the CTO of both places simultaneously

they remembered who I was but insisted on following the script the second time too

i did take the offer :) i think they were impressed because the second time they asked "where do you want to be in x years/where do you want your career going" I said "i want to be you/in your chair"

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I see a lot of people talking about reputational risk around this, but I'd be more worried about the legal implications. Most of us have contracts that grant IP of what we create to our employer at least during work hours - if you get caught doing this how do the IP implications unwind given that both your employers have the same rights to what you produced? Would it be legally equivalent to selling a bunch of IP tha…

I had a coworker try to pull the two remote jobs at once thing. Thinking a customer was calling he answered the wrong phone and said the wrong company name, but it was actually his bosses boss. Company fired him, and actually went so far as to threaten to sue the guy until he agreed to pay restitution (one year pay), and they told the other company who fired him. I don’t know if the other company did anything else. D…

Well I can definitely blame them.

It would be great if it worked both ways. Let’s say an employee who is forced to work unpaid overtime (two jobs amount) could use power imbalance to threaten the company into paying one year of their revenue.

If his work quality is really that bad, why not fire him already? What if he was simply super lazy but with one job, why not make an example of him for other slackers?

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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I have a friend that does this, has 3 jobs...makes nearly 500k. IMHO, it's not worth the stress though.

That's my biggest reservation about doing this. I feel like the possibility of one finding out about the other would weigh on me pretty heavily. Not that I think it's unethical, mind you. I'd just be stressed about the worst-case scenario and the impact it would have on my career. Would love the double income though, not gonna lie.

I think it is unethical if you're lying about the amount of work you do, using fake excuses like "it's harder than I thought it would be", "I got stuck on x" when you're just not working or working for your second company. Yes, you're paid for an output, but how can your manager give you a reasonable output when you're constantly lying and deceiving them about how hard/long something is? People are always complaining that they are not trusted enough by their manager, but when you see the comments here, I kinda feel bad for said managers. A good manager will be able to see through it eventually without resorting to micromanagement, but it can take a while and do a lot of damages until then.

I also see arguments like "some companies do worse to employees". I understand where this is coming from, but this can be used to excuse pretty much any kind of behaviour and just leads to a deleterious environment.

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How 'powerful' are employed? What is their employment status? At previous company CTO was in boards of another 5+ companies + owned partially another 2. How that works at 'that' level?

This is a really important point. While us salaried workers struggle in a 9-5, the powerful get multiple board positions that each pay more than our annual wages.

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I had a new hire last year that did this. He interviewed pretty well and we brought him on as contract-to-hire through a placement company. We're a small company, so it was pretty easy to have everything set up for him on day one to begin contributing. The first day was spent getting to know other members of the team and we were working to get him familiar with the codebase of a new application that we were working o…

Yep, no cure against people who just lie. In european countries, which i'm in, it's so hard to kick someone who is obviously doing something completely else during work hours, but has a indefinite contract.

Worked with a younger medior, superbright kid, but once the we started working from home his contributions were shoddy code done in max 2 hours a day. Refused to refactor or backtrack on architectural decisions. Kept saying he's really doing this fulltime. We asked him if his, 1-man side-job company, was absorbing too much of his time and he persistently denied that.

Meanwhile there was a complete public record of him starting new companies under his name, nice websites and all. Of course that could all have been done in his own time...

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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This can only work at extremely dysfunctional companies with incompetent management. I suppose there's an opportunity here for some unethical people to get some money from those companies until they collapse. In any reasonably well-run company these people would be fired quickly. Gordon Gecko might say these people are performing service to the public by helping poorly managed companies go bankrupt faster, but it's s…

Overseas outsourcing companies have been filling multiple positions with same people for decades

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

#68

I see a lot of people talking about reputational risk around this, but I'd be more worried about the legal implications. Most of us have contracts that grant IP of what we create to our employer at least during work hours - if you get caught doing this how do the IP implications unwind given that both your employers have the same rights to what you produced? Would it be legally equivalent to selling a bunch of IP tha…

I've never not had a contract that stated I had to get consent from my employer if I wanted to take any other job. And I get the feeling that if you got caught double-dealing like this, a company would take it seriously enough to actually sue you for a serious breach of contract. Especially if the other company is in the same industry - this creates a huge conflict of interest and the potential for data leaks, etc. IP ownership and legal issues make this a very dangerous game.

Maybe you get away with this if you're working for small companies that can't afford the legal procedures, but if you're working for a small company there's also much greater risk you'll be found out because you can't disappear into the crowd.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my biggest reservation about doing this. I feel like the possibility of one finding out about the other would weigh on me pretty heavily. Not that I think it's unethical, mind you. I'd just be stressed about the worst-case scenario and the impact it would have on my career. Would love the double income though, not gonna lie.

You can always outsource parts of the job too

and now you're giving an unauthorized third party access to the company network. Yeah that's a good way to go from simple breach of contract to possible criminal charges.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

#70
Wouldn't you be better off just being a contractor and taking multiple contracts in parallel? That way you're legally covered, and as long as you're fulfilling your tasks, you could in theory keep everyone happy and collect multiple paychecks without breaking any rules.
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