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Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it's unethical, it's time theft. It requires you to be dishonest. You can make money as a con artist in many ways, this is just one of them. You can lie about your qualifications and experience too. If your only reservation with being dishonest is the possibility you might get caught, I think that says a lot about you as a person.
Of course, if you're an hourly employee and don't (as you mostly shouldn't) have non compete clauses of some sort it's mostly fine. However, as a salaried employer who generally can't also work for a competitor, it's pretty scummy unless it's something unrelated and you're putting in your hours--which it would be hard to do. I'm sure there are "life hacking" people who think this is fine but it's really not. And if y…
Right, I'm assuming the two companies would be in completely different spaces. Otherwise I'd have significant ethical concerns.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it's unethical, it's time theft. It requires you to be dishonest. You can make money as a con artist in many ways, this is just one of them. You can lie about your qualifications and experience too. If your only reservation with being dishonest is the possibility you might get caught, I think that says a lot about you as a person.
If you're salaried, you're not paid for time, you're paid for output.
Are you sure? I searched around for employment contracts and the first result that isn't trivial (ie. less than a page) has a "full time" clause, eg. https://www.lawdepot.com/contracts/employment-contract/?loc=...
>Duty to Devote Full Time
>The Employee agrees to devote full-time efforts, as an employee of the Employer, to the employment duties and obligations as described in this Agreement.
The template linked above also an option of specifying work hours, so that makes it extra risky from a legal point of view.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it's unethical, it's time theft. It requires you to be dishonest. You can make money as a con artist in many ways, this is just one of them. You can lie about your qualifications and experience too. If your only reservation with being dishonest is the possibility you might get caught, I think that says a lot about you as a person.
If you are accomplishing your job to an acceptable standard it is not unethical. As long as it is not hourly, you just have to accomplish your tasks.
Most salary contracts prevent moonlighting like this to one extent or another.
You’d need to vet the fine print on whether working 2 40 hour per week jobs is ok. Not to mention that both jobs may ask more hours of you at any point.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's my biggest reservation about doing this. I feel like the possibility of one finding out about the other would weigh on me pretty heavily. Not that I think it's unethical, mind you. I'd just be stressed about the worst-case scenario and the impact it would have on my career. Would love the double income though, not gonna lie.
Of course it's unethical, it's time theft. It requires you to be dishonest. You can make money as a con artist in many ways, this is just one of them. You can lie about your qualifications and experience too. If your only reservation with being dishonest is the possibility you might get caught, I think that says a lot about you as a person.
> it's time theft
Depends on your contract, but I think very few companies can legally expect to "own your time" unless you're logging billable hours, or clocking in (hourly wage). If you're logging billable-hours and double billing, yes that IS fraud. Obviously, if you're clocking in, it's unlikely you'll be working two jobs simultaneously, and if you are, it's unethical.
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#26I have a friend that does this, has 3 jobs...makes nearly 500k. IMHO, it's not worth the stress though.
I know people that make more than 7 figures with one job. Is your friend located intentionally or something? Otherwise I don't see the point.
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#27I see a lot of people talking about reputational risk around this, but I'd be more worried about the legal implications. Most of us have contracts that grant IP of what we create to our employer at least during work hours - if you get caught doing this how do the IP implications unwind given that both your employers have the same rights to what you produced? Would it be legally equivalent to selling a bunch of IP that you never had the right to?
This whole phenomenon is just the pinnacle of the privilege that we enjoy as software developers. While warehouse or hospitality workers work two or three jobs to stay above the poverty line and have their every move tracked as they do, we choose to parlay our autonomy into occupying two well-paying jobs at the same time.
When our employers force us back into the office 5 days a week, it'll be the people who did this who made that happen.
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#28... is this a tech person's equivalent to what a significant portion of Americans do just to pay rent? Only with the added fun of breach of contract, etc tossed in?
I thought it was satire at first.
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#29It is called "wire fraud" a federal crime. The US has a ridiculous punishment for it [1]. Wire fraud is the favorite of the feds since it is loosely defined and easy to prosecute. Feds also use this law to get people to turn on others due to it's extreme punishments (you will sing). If you sign anything stating this is your only job - don't do this.
(1) that the defendant voluntarily and intentionally devised or participated in a scheme to defraud another out of money; (2) that the defendant did so with the intent to defraud; (3) that it was reasonably foreseeable that interstate wire communications would be used; and (4) that interstate wire communications were in fact used)
"Wire fraud is a federal crime that carries a sentence of not more than 20 years’ imprisonment and fines of up to $250,000 for individuals and $500,000 for organizations." [1]
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course it's unethical, it's time theft. It requires you to be dishonest. You can make money as a con artist in many ways, this is just one of them. You can lie about your qualifications and experience too. If your only reservation with being dishonest is the possibility you might get caught, I think that says a lot about you as a person.
How is it different than working two shifts?
or working a job and having a hobby that it turns out later can be profitable? Or working a job and working on a startup on the side? Or, hell, working at a job and doing your own, unpaid, yardwork on the side, or childcare?