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Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by notreallyserio »

t0mas88 wrote: post #347
notreallyserio wrote: post #221

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> Do you actually prefer the subscription hell we are in now with companies like Adobe deciding we can no longer actually own any software and have to continuously rent it? No, I don't prefer software subscriptions with monthly fees. I don't find the "maintenance" required for software annoying or onerous. However, I really don't like car maintenance. Waiting for an oil change, tire replacement or rotation, or really…

Don't the higher end car brands in your area do pickup/return service? BMW picks my car up from the office parking garage, changes oil or tires and returns it before the end of the day. All I have to do is pick a day in their online portal and leave the keys at he reception desk. I very much prefer owning a car over renting because I can leave things in the car. Like child seats, but also extra clothes, diapers, a ph…

They might, but I don't know, I live in a small city.

I definitely understand why folks want to own a car, keeping useful tools in there makes a lot of sense. I don't have that same use case but I get it.

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Post by steelframe »

maxdo wrote: post #330
steelframe wrote: post #205

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For me it's about control. I'm fine with having whiz-bang features on my equipment, so long as I am the final authority on anything and everything about them. About a year ago I took my fancy EV on a ferry. I kept it on and ran the air conditioner because it was hot outside. Partway through the crossing I guess the suspension sensors interpreted the boat rocking as "something is seriously screwed up," and it locked t…

it's a problem of your car brand, not the EV's. My EV still has neutral. Let me guess, you probably choose a legacy brand EV car, that has no culture on how to buy electronics, because you know I can trust this brand better since they are so long on the market. The same automatic problem could be on the car with manual transmission nowadays. Since they all required emergency braking and many other items are mandatory…

> it's a problem of your car brand, not the EV's. My EV still has neutral.

True that I bought a brand that doesn't have a long history of EV tech. However it does indeed have a neutral button. It's just that after throwing itself into some exception state, "shifting" into it by hitting the button on the console would highlight the "N" letter as if it acknowledged my "request," but some logic in the car simply refused to actually fully execute my "request" to shift into neutral. There was no "STFU and do what I say; I don't care what your logic thinks about the situation" because the product managers and/or engineers who built it had the hubris to believe they had thought of everything and there would never be any need for that mode of operation.

If I can physically pull a manual transmission stick into the neutral position and release a brake cable, my car will roll. After my experience on the ferry, I no longer want any software logic at all being able to prevent my car from moving when I want it to move. "Just find a car brand that has better logic that you can probably rely on" isn't the solution I'm looking for. Software systems in cars are way too complicated, and there will always be corner cases. I demand a failsafe manual override. I am the one driving the vehicle, and I make the ultimate judgement call on what it does and doesn't do.

One car I found that has manual transmission and a pull-lever emergency brake is the 2021 Subaru Crosstrek. The manual transmission Crosstrek reportedly doesn't have EyeSight, and hence there's no automatic emergency braking (AEB).

https://www.subaru.ca/content/7907/media/General/download/C1...

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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Post by C19is20 »

achenatx wrote: post #292
spike021 wrote: post #212

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One time someone did this in a Costco parking lot from 2 rows away from me and my parked car. It pulled out of its spot 3 spaces away from my car, started doing a u-turn that would've had it hit my car in order to drive through the row of parking spots. I was standing in front of my car wondering where the eff the driver was (obviously it was smart summon but in the heat of the moment...). Lots of families go to Cost…

when someone in a car hits a child they do not go to jail

Can confirm. When my dad often one-handedly turned around and beat the living crap out of me and my two sisters in the back seat, whilst also one-handedly driving down the autostrada, the most he ever got was a stern look from my mum who was smoking at the time.

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Post by ctdonath »

fallingknife wrote: post #268
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #238

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That is only going to happen for most people if the economics of car rentals are VEEEEEERRY reasonable. I am not willing to wait 10 minutes for an available vehicle every time I need to go somewhere. People who are dreaming of a day of full automation need to take this into account, because while I don't know how long the average trip by car is, I suspect that it's somewhere in the 15-20 minute range, which is imposs…

Uber now is rarely 10 minutes or more. Usually <5 if you're in a major city.

Easily >45 minutes if not.

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Post by seoulmetro »

wolrah wrote: post #218
Datenstrom wrote: post #209

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From Tesla's release of their full self-driving beta and its performance in a recent CGP Grey video where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America[1] I think a lot of people are going to have to eat their hats on this stance very soon. I consider myself bullish on this tech, and I have worked closely with autonomous robotics, but I didn't expect it this soon. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d…

> where it successfully navigates the most dangerous road in America Twistiest, maybe. Most dangerous, not even close unless you or someone driving towards you do something dumb. Historically Autopilot's weak spots have been crappy/ambiguous road markings, low speed corners on high speed roads, and large vehicles stopped on/across the road. This video hit none of those points. The lane markings are clear, the posted…

Not to mention it's dangerous because of the amount of people acting irrationally and speeding there. There were barely any cars on the road with him (and he did that on purpose, possibly to save people the hassle or actually not kill others).

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Post by bloomark »

mellavora wrote: post #203
izacus wrote: post #169

So at what point will Teslas also start snitching on their own owners and other drivers for driving too fast, being in the wrong place at the time a crime happened and reporting copyrighted music played in the wrong country? Is there already a design doc for that somewhere in Teslas ticketing system?

well, they are planning on offering their own car insurance program. Funny thing is, the initial sell of Tesla was 'high performance', the kind of driving which tends to encourage high-risk behaviours. so now it is "you can buy this great car with all this high-performance stuff, but we'll know every time you use it and dock you on insurance rates to compensate"

They already provide their own insurance. My brother's Model Y, that he has Tesla insurance for in CA, makes wonky noises when he's engaging in unsafe driving (not looking at the road, breaking too late, etc) and he said it might affect his insurance rate as well.

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Post by beervirus »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #261
xanaxagoras wrote: post #233

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If you're protesting in the middle of the street for the express purpose of disrupting traffic, you get what you get.

So in other words, you believe that people protesting in the street deserve to die.

“Deserve” is maybe a little too normative. Certainly they shouldn’t act all surprised pikachu when it happens though.

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Post by Retric »

Swenrekcah wrote: post #346
Retric wrote: post #341

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Boing recently face real financial consequences from the 737 Max defect. Holding companies to the same standards as members of the general public runs into an issue of how large an impact they have. A Surgeon is going to make mistakes that kill people, but just because people are imperfect doesn’t mean effectively banning surgery via sending every surgeon to prison after their first mistake is appropriate. Roll up to…

The financial consequences are nothing for the company, even less for those responsible. For accountability there need to be personal consequences for cases of extreme and wilful negligence for cases like Boeings. I’m not advocating for life in prison for the top brass, but some prison time surely. Unless we just start issuing fines and warnings to the regular people to deal with manslaughter of criminal negligence.

Prison for the top brass 1:1 with negligent death essentially removes the possibility of any large company existing even down to hospitals simply can’t exist in such an environment.

The paradox here is that aviation for example is filled with cases of negligence causing large numbers of fatalities, while at the same time the industry has become extremely safe. It’s not that negligence has become more common it’s simply rolling the dice more frequently. By comparison having someone install solar panels on your roof is stupid dangerous at scale, but individual homeowners don’t notice that risk. Should we send every homeowner that had solar installed into their homes to prison? If not why should it apply at a larger company.

It’s not that these companies get a special expedition, it’s that everyone gets that same exception. Killing a pedestrian for example rarely results in prison time. People are often punished more for a DUI without an accident than a sober fatality caused by simple negligence.

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Post by loonster »

sizzle wrote: post #334
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #309

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I wouldn't disagree with your experience complaint, but Costco exists precisely because it doesn't care about the "shopping experience". If you go to Costco, you forgo the right to complain about the "shopping experience" because you are explicitly choosing something with a bad one in exchange for very cheap goods. Walmart and Target: slightly better experience, slightly more expensive. Supermarkets and Malls: better…

Walmart parking lots are equally busy and hard to navigate in my experience

Depends on the Costco. The one near me put the main entrance to the parking lot next to the store entrance.

The Walmart near me has the main entrance to the parking lot at the opposite end of the store. There is also a long protected cart path going down the parking lot.

The Costco on the other side of town is almost as good as the Walmart.

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