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Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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What is legality of making alternative firmware for Tesla? I guess they could argue with safety. Does the car loose road worthy certification, if its software is altered?

Definitely needs to be a thing. idk if it has been on HN yet but there is a opengarages.org site that has a nice ebook if anyone is interested.

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> someone with the key can now remote summon the car Cars with remote summons features today basically just crawl forward a few metres to help you get out of a parking spot. They aren't self-driving across town to a repossession lot, if that's what you're thinking.

A first step. Won’t be long before the car goes to the repossession lot itself. Tesla is evolving country music: not only will your girl leave you, so will your truck.

Ha. Though my guess is, once self-driving is reliable enough to do that, the economics of car ownership are going to flip completely. It won't make sense anymore to have a car that spends most of its time sitting unused in your garage.

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Not much into US law, but can someone tell us what is happening if you had personal possession of value in your car?

This is my problem with it. Not that payments shouldn't be kept up to date. But that it moves decision making on the issue to a corporate entity a million miles away and you can bet there won't be any accounting for personal situations, or admin errors, or anything else. Your car will just be gone. Sorry, f@ck tesla on this.

No, there are consumer protection laws in most, if not all, states that require a period of notification and discussion prior to repossession. When a car is repossessed it should never be a surprise to the "owner."

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From 2014: Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Car https://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1 I too wish that there would be an easy way to disconnect my car (it is of zero use to me).

Take the SIM card out. Or better yet, don't buy a car that tracks you.

Good luck finding a modern car without a built-in SIM.

In Europe, eCall (automated emergency call) has been mandatory since 2018.

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We do not have Repo in EU like they do in the US.

Are you sure about that? I thought repossession of collateral from a defaulted loan is a basic part of cultures with both common and code law. https://www.frenchentree.com/french-property/law/so-you-cant... What happens if you don't pay your mortgage where you live?

Then you have to go through some government entity for repossession etc. But for sure we don't have it where some tow truck driver comes to your property pulling out the car.

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#146

Has anyone "jailbroke" a Telsa to remove this type of stuff?

It's two sides to the same coin. The stuff that makes this possible is the same stuff that makes all the futuristic tech on a Tesla possible. So you could theoretically jailbreak it (Rich Rebuilds probably figured it out by now) disabling the stuff that would allow this to happen would also disable half the futuristic features on your car.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

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We do not have Repo in EU like they do in the US.

Are you sure about that? I thought repossession of collateral from a defaulted loan is a basic part of cultures with both common and code law. https://www.frenchentree.com/french-property/law/so-you-cant... What happens if you don't pay your mortgage where you live?

Usually, in the end, it's a government agent coming to you and repossessing things, not an employee of a random company.

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No, if you don't pay for it then it's the bank's car. It's like saying "the super stole my TV!!" when actually the super just let the police in with a search warrant, and they took the TV you stole down to the station.

Tesla still has remote access to the cars its has sold and can unlock them if the authorities request them to do so. If that is not a backdoor I don't know what is. Evidently, the car isn't yours, even though you have paid for it. Tesla still owns it.

They do this with any key fob for any make and model these days.

Re: Tesla remotely unlocks Model 3 car, uses smart summon to help repo agent

#149
post #24

Not much into US law, but can someone tell us what is happening if you had personal possession of value in your car?

This is my problem with it. Not that payments shouldn't be kept up to date. But that it moves decision making on the issue to a corporate entity a million miles away and you can bet there won't be any accounting for personal situations, or admin errors, or anything else. Your car will just be gone. Sorry, f@ck tesla on this.

> Your car will just be gone

If the loan is secured on the car then it's not "your car" until the loan is paid.

But sure you're right, mistakes can be made and being able to switch off your car remotely is somewhat dystopian even if you're 100% in the clear.

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#150
I had a medical bill for a small amount like $60 sent to collections because they didn’t have the right address. Never called or emailed me. Judging by the comments here, the healthcare co would be well within its rights to pickpocket me.
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