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Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You've done it repeatedly and that's not ok—regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are.

We also had to warn you about this pretty recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28995867. I don't want to ban you but if you keep doing this, we'll have to, so please fix this. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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IMO the errors that cost 800,000 Americans their lives were made last year. The President publicly denied the seriousness of the situation. The CDC didn't want to use a foreign test and made their own but they were all contaminated and always read positive. There was minimal contract tracing of travelers. The Surgeon General told Americans not to wear masks saying using masks incorrectly would harm them.

Haven’t most of the deaths happened this year? Sure we may have started off wrong but clearly we could have course corrected? Or are Americans too stupid to understand the risks and trade offs?

With exponential growth early decisive action is needed. Isn’t course correction lying? :)

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The data was real the first time. The virus got worse.

I suspect the worry is that it will be similar for the pill. Highly effective now, but less effective for future variants.

Well, the more fronts on which we attack the vaccine, the barder it will be to to evolve against all of them.

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I don't know, the idea that the spread of the Delta variant can be attributed to the "unvaccinated", whose morality is so low that they also happen to often be "anti-mask" as well. This is the kind of scapegoating i would imagine CNN do (I'm being unfair here, CNN would probably add a bit of Russian disinformation as well for good culture war mesure.) I'm ready to change my mind tho if you back your statement with fa…

The spread of Delta is because that variant is more infectious and there is a reservoir of unvaccinated people. The CDC said vaccinated people can take off their masks. They did not say everyone can stop masking. Masking immediately dropped from 75% to 25%. We are not at 75% vaccine coverage even today. Measles is an example of another highly infectious moderately deadly disease. Wherever we don’t have 97%+ vaccine c…

No. Delta was around before there was even enough vaccine for countries other than the US and Europe. It was completely unavoidable.

And since it’s clearly the fully vaccinated have only a reduced, not eliminated risk of infection and transmission, we could still get another variant.

Covid isn’t the measles.

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Can you list those experts? Because none of the actual experts I heard or read about said that. A simple google search about those points also reveal optimistic opinions by various people and not one instance where experts claim so.

Your Google skills are weak. The examples are easy to find. The CDC said that the vaccinated can only “rarely” infect others. And before you say “but Delta!”, Delta was already dominant around the time of the statement. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/cdc-vaccinated-del...

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> Fucking Republicans As a vaccinated, boosted republican, this attitude isn't helping. Yeah, there are a bunch of idiotic republican politicians out there. But there are also a lot of idiotic democrat politicians out there who aren't making COVID policy decisions based on science and evidence, but based on their ideological side: outdoor mask mandates, travel bans, blocking people's access to their own private prope…

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IMO the errors that cost 800,000 Americans their lives were made last year. The President publicly denied the seriousness of the situation. The CDC didn't want to use a foreign test and made their own but they were all contaminated and always read positive. There was minimal contract tracing of travelers. The Surgeon General told Americans not to wear masks saying using masks incorrectly would harm them.

Haven’t most of the deaths happened this year? Sure we may have started off wrong but clearly we could have course corrected? Or are Americans too stupid to understand the risks and trade offs?

The problem was that it was politicized hard early on. Now you have roughly a third of the country who’ve been told that public health measures are an unpatriotic plot, and a lot of belligerence had been encouraged. The rhetoric around this made it a very clear party loyalty test and lots of people rose to that challenge.

How many people are willing to admit that they were so wrong for the better part of two years and many thousands of people died who wouldn’t have? That’s very close to admitting that those same people weren’t just lying about one thing.

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Does this mean COVID is over? I thought once the vaccines were available we could move on with life, but somehow the goal posts kept moving. Will people accept the much smaller risk of hospitalization once this pill is available?

The goal posts do keep moving, because vaccination uptake is slow, people keep arguing against public health measures, and while we waste time delaying measures or implementing half baked measures, the virus evolves.

Are you suggesting if everyone was vaccinated we wouldn't have variants at all? Or is there some other measure that can prevent variants? I'm not familiar with a public health policy that can do that.

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> Does this mean COVID is over? When I took my first jab, the local clinic handed out a flier explaining in no uncertain terms that: a) the current batch of vaccines work by giving our immune system a workout to be able to experience a COVID infection as either totally unnoticed or at most a mild case, b) the current batch of vaccines does not nor did ever guaranteed you won't contract and spread COVID, c) even with…

> the current batch of vaccines does not nor did ever guaranteed you won't contract and spread COVID Guarantee, no. But the thought was that it would greatly reduce the risk of spreading the disease, such that once a sufficient number of people were vaccinated herd immunity would kill off the virus and end the pandemic. We're now two years in with a 73% vaccination rate in the US (not counting those with natural immu…

> But the thought was that it would greatly reduce the risk of spreading the disease, such that once a sufficient number of people were vaccinated herd immunity would kill off the virus and end the pandemic. We're now two years in with a 73% vaccination rate in the US (not counting those with natural immunity),

This was very clearly and openly discussed when the vaccines first came out: vaccines would help reduce spread and with a high enough rate that would end the pandemic but that we’d need relatively high vaccination rates to stop something which can spread this easily.

This was correct and the data suggests that it could have worked but we never seriously tried it. As of today, 61% of Americans have been vaccinated. That is far, far below the 90+% threshold used in those first messages — and that was before Delta and the Omicron delivered both higher spread and reduced effectiveness to make the problem harder.

The other thing to remember is that the pandemic ending doesn’t necessarily mean complete eradication. If, as appears to be the case, vaccination and medications significantly reduce the risk of serious illness and/or long COVID, that will probably be enough to get it down to the level of, say, influenza.

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I have a severe reaction to almost all medications. I already had covid twice. Once before vaccines were ready. Second time was only annoying. So yea. I have no interest in it. Though if I hadn’t had covid already I would definitely get vaccine. Being told I “must” get it is definitely provoking a “hell no” reaction on top of everything.

> So yea. I have no interest in it. Though if I hadn’t had covid already I would definitely get vaccine. Well I guess the mandate is working, because based on this response you are an individual that I would prefer not to be exposed to in the workplace without the mandated testing. This is not a judgement of personal worth, just an observation that you are not behaving rationally. Top down policies such as the mandat…

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