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Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by tootie »

brainphreeze wrote: post #122
tootie wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a false equivalency. Republicans have been far, far worse. They have been anti-science across the board on all kinds of policy. Donald Trump is absolute low point in American history. The guy who said vaccines cause autism, pushed unproven and dangerous treatments, pressured scientists to change their recommendations, called climate change a hoax, wanted to nuke a hurricane and rake a forest. He owns the party…

Some of the things you've said are just flat out incorrect. It's blatantly obvious you're parroting CNN and Late Show hacks.

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Post by jmarbach »

jjulius wrote: post #20
jmarbach wrote: post #14

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You are completely wrong -- totally warped by the narrative. Look at the Pfizer press release, Nov 9, 2020 - the first sentence: "Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis" https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

First, as another user pointed out, for the variants of the time. Second, "completely" is a strong word there; your link, and the part you quoted, still clarifies that it's possible to get infected. Edit: You are also misreading what you're quoting[1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29619347

You're right. I will never question Pfizer again. There could be infinite mutations of the virus moving forward which would impact the weight of their claims.

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by Klinky »

johnisgood wrote: post #53
bhaak wrote: post #46

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I'm not sure the taxpayers will pay for that if you are unvaccinated. This pill is for "high-risk patients who took the antiviral within three days of symptom onset". The vaccination even seems to be a bit more effective than this pill?

But I am not vaccinated for health reasons. When are we going to start differentiating? Were I not a freelancer, I would have lost my job because I am not vaccinated, for health reasons. It is a pretty shitty thing to do to people.

There is already a differentiation. Your employer would still need to accommodate your vaccine allergy/contradiction, so long as there is medical documentation backing your claim. You would then go into weekly testing protocol if you needed to be onsite[1]. If you're 100% remote you could even get out of doing the weekly testing[2].

1. https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81470-c...

2. https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81493-c...

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by joe_guy »

pokstad wrote: post #128

Does this mean COVID is over? I thought once the vaccines were available we could move on with life, but somehow the goal posts kept moving. Will people accept the much smaller risk of hospitalization once this pill is available?

> but somehow the goal posts kept moving.

The virus changes, so the end conditions change. It's frustrating but it is what it is.

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Post by epgui »

pokstad wrote: post #128

Does this mean COVID is over? I thought once the vaccines were available we could move on with life, but somehow the goal posts kept moving. Will people accept the much smaller risk of hospitalization once this pill is available?

The goal posts do keep moving, because vaccination uptake is slow, people keep arguing against public health measures, and while we waste time delaying measures or implementing half baked measures, the virus evolves.

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Post by jmarbach »

mlyle wrote: post #101
jmarbach wrote: post #66

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It's a fair critique. But when the Captain of an airplane I'm flying on tells me there's an emergency problem with the flaps, I don't ask him for text book evidence, I just look out at the wings and verify the problem. Check this data in a few weeks. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...

So, you cite data showing very high efficacy of the vaccine, and are like -- look at it in a few weeks! Omicron is going to make it worse, but even unboosted folks in South Africa seem to enjoy about 30% efficacy against infection and much higher efficacy against hospitalization and death. But your gossip trumps the data, I guess...

"Omicron is making it worse" is gossip to you and a fact for me. That's where we disagree.

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by tootie »

ghiculescu wrote: post #106
tootie wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a false equivalency. Republicans have been far, far worse. They have been anti-science across the board on all kinds of policy. Donald Trump is absolute low point in American history. The guy who said vaccines cause autism, pushed unproven and dangerous treatments, pressured scientists to change their recommendations, called climate change a hoax, wanted to nuke a hurricane and rake a forest. He owns the party…

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Post by BbzzbB »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #11
beaned wrote: post #8

The vaccines were also lauded as 100% effective in the early days by Fauci and others, so just a reminder that time and reproducibility matter before being too confident about it.

I don't recall a single instance of 100% efficacy claim. It was around 92-97%.

Can't see GP's comment (flagged, like 7/11 OP ITT) so I don't know if I'm on-topic or not. After Bourla's appearance on Lex's podcast and the latter's mention of a 100% claim on the blue bird app which the former denied (w.r.t. infection I believe), searching his account I came up with these. They're from March 31st (1) and April 1st (2 & 3, quoting 4), third would be most eye-brow lifting today. It is arguably misleading, or odd, to just mention 100% in a tweet on 95% CI with 53.5-100.0 brackets in the study.

1: 100% efficacy against COVID-19 disease for 12-15 year olds in phase 3

2: 100% efficacy against severe COVID-19 as defined by CDC

3: 100% efficacy in preventing COVID-19 cases in South Africa

[1] https://twitter.com/AlbertBourla/status/1377227340011483136

[2] https://twitter.com/AlbertBourla/status/1377586182519947264

[3] https://twitter.com/AlbertBourla/status/1377618480527257606

[4] https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by jmarbach »

heyitsguay wrote: post #18
jmarbach wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are completely wrong -- totally warped by the narrative. Look at the Pfizer press release, Nov 9, 2020 - the first sentence: "Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis" https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

For the variants at the time. The spread of the delta and omicron variants was tracked so closely and garnered so much attention in large part due to their abilities to at least partially evade vaccine-induced immunity, but this was always a known risk. The larger the infected population, the more chances for such an event to occur, hence the importance of measures like vaccinations, social distancing, and lockdowns…

In this case we should edit the title of the post to clarify, "for the variants as of x date" - agree or disagree? As to not spread misinformation.

Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by treeman79 »

chki wrote: post #71
johnisgood wrote: post #53

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But I am not vaccinated for health reasons. When are we going to start differentiating? Were I not a freelancer, I would have lost my job because I am not vaccinated, for health reasons. It is a pretty shitty thing to do to people.

I'm sorry if this is inappropriate but what health reasons prevent you from getting vaccinated?

I have a severe reaction to almost all medications. I already had covid twice. Once before vaccines were ready. Second time was only annoying.

So yea. I have no interest in it. Though if I hadn’t had covid already I would definitely get vaccine.

Being told I “must” get it is definitely provoking a “hell no” reaction on top of everything.

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