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Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by freemint »

btmiller wrote: post #72
tamaharbor wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And basically calling anyone “deplorable” for not taking the vaccine isn’t going to work this time either.

Realities aside, this is why a therapeutic might be the best way out of the pandemic.

Until a new variant comes along which bypasses natural immunity and we are looking at Populationmortality_rate0.9ish deaths. The problem is we can only push mortality_rate so much with new medicine and hospital bets, missing days at work are other externalities.

Vaccinations move from the population in to the vaccinated bucket which has preferable externality rates and if enough people are vaccinated we might be able to even push 0.9ish fudge factor lower.

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Post by discordance »

xienze wrote: post #5
baka367 wrote: post #2

Cautiously hopeful that this does indeed work and that it does work for all variants... .. and that it also would not cost a fortune in 3rd world where we really need easily accessible and storable countermeasures against the bugger.

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This didn’t work so well with the vaccine in developing countries

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Post by vidoc »

jjulius wrote: post #62
vidoc wrote: post #43

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> They never claimed it stopped infection True, but they sure as hell implied it did. For example, this fact check appeared in the search container of google early on: note the use of the double negative in the VERDICT. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-transmission/fa...

>Scientists are not yet sure of how the vaccine affects transmission – and this is currently undergoing research. I don't know how much clearer they can get with that next sentence.

Do you not understand where the problem is here?

If the scientists were, at the time, not yet sure how the vaccine affected transmission. The correct 'fact check' should have been:

"There is no conclusive evidence to claim COVID-19 vaccines prevent people from spreading the disease."

instead of

"There is no conclusive evidence to claim COVID-19 vaccines do not prevent people spreading the disease."

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Post by hamburglar »

jmarbach wrote: post #14
jjulius wrote: post #13

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You are completely wrong -- totally warped by the narrative. Look at the Pfizer press release, Nov 9, 2020 - the first sentence: "Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis" https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

You seem very, very attached to a conclusion that isn’t supported by your own information. Are you really sure you haven’t been “warped by a narrative?”

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Post by tomjakubowski »

tamaharbor wrote: post #64
victor106 wrote: post #58

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I identify myself as an independent. I have voted for both republicans and democrats. But it’s undeniable that there are large numbers of republicans that are unvaccinated. See the below two links https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/import... https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828...

And basically calling anyone “deplorable” for not taking the vaccine isn’t going to work this time either.

"deplorables" comment was made years before covid, by someone who hasn't been in government in almost a decade now

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

desine wrote: post #103
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #100

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And obviously all this means we should fallback to armchair philosophy. (fyi jstor does not even fully cover one single area of knowledge)

If it means we can start applying critical thinking again, maybe

And of course by that you mean your critical thinking which is pure and thoughtful and sublime, while their critical thinking is biased and full of crisis and smells foul because it contradicts you.

Because that is what armchair discussions actually are. No real critical thinking, just scratching one's own ass.

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Post by Msw242 »

dnautics wrote: post #97
solarkraft wrote: post #73

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There's always an exception for people who can't be vaccinated. They're a big reason everyone else needs to be vaccinated, after all.

IIRC Vaccination seems to do a poor job of preventing person-to-person transmission of delta (and likely, even less, omicron). If you are currently getting vaccinated, you should be doing it for selfish reasons, and you should not count on it to protect, say, a vulnerable or unvaccinated person you live with.

It's not perfect, but the vaccinated people shed way less virus, and are contagious for a much shorter window of time.

Also, it makes you less likely to take a bed in the ICU, preserving that bed for grandma's stroke

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Post by CydeWeys »

Msw242 wrote: post #108
chki wrote: post #71

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I'm sorry if this is inappropriate but what health reasons prevent you from getting vaccinated?

There are allergies to vaccines (not to the dose, but to everything else that is in the concoction that enables it to work). Also, immunocompromised people often can't take vaccines. Usually you can get a doctor's note explaining this, and you can participate in daily life normally (like going to school or college, which rightfully require vaccinations). I don't know if policy around the COVID vaccine is different...…

> Also, immunocompromised people often can't take vaccines.

Nope. Immunocompromised people need extra doses of the vaccine, and even then it doesn't work as well.

This is one of those false talking points that antivaxxers love to spread.

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Post by jjulius »

vidoc wrote: post #113
jjulius wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Scientists are not yet sure of how the vaccine affects transmission – and this is currently undergoing research. I don't know how much clearer they can get with that next sentence.

Do you not understand where the problem is here? If the scientists were, at the time, not yet sure how the vaccine affected transmission. The correct 'fact check' should have been: "There is no conclusive evidence to claim COVID-19 vaccines prevent people from spreading the disease." instead of "There is no conclusive evidence to claim COVID-19 vaccines do not prevent people spreading the disease."

In an article that says all of the following very clearly...

>Meanwhile, there is currently no conclusive evidence to claim the COVID-19 vaccine stops people spreading the virus that causes the disease – nor is there for the opposite.

>Scientists do not yet know whether COVID-19 vaccinations will reduce transmission because this was not tested in the trials.

>With the latter, this could mean the virus continues to replicate in the nose and throat, and is still able to spread.

>Scientists are not yet sure of how the vaccine affects transmission – and this is currently undergoing research.

... you are seizing on a single double-negative to claim you've been misled? A double-negative which is equally as accurate as what you would like it corrected to, because in the body of the article it says there's no evidence one way or the other?

This is really the hill you're choosing to die on?

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Post by desine »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #116
desine wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it means we can start applying critical thinking again, maybe

And of course by that you mean your critical thinking which is pure and thoughtful and sublime, while their critical thinking is biased and full of crisis and smells foul because it contradicts you. Because that is what armchair discussions actually are. No real critical thinking, just scratching one's own ass.

By definition, critical thinking is questioning what you are told. I am questioning what I am told, by assessing

* Who is telling me this information?

Pfizer, the FDA

* Who stands to benefit from this?

Pfizer, the maker of the drug, and the downstream finances from them - namely the FDA (who gets most of their funding from drug makers), lobbied politicians in DC, as well as the nightly news, which sure does seem to show a lot of ads for Pfizer products.

So, from those questions, I have become skeptical. I am completely open to other lines of critical thinking, but so far I have just met resistance for questioning things at all.

So who is doing critical thikning? Am I actually denigrating someone elses critical thinking? Because there seems to be relatively little of it in this thread.

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