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Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by javagram »

rglover wrote: post #56
junon wrote: post #36

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Link please.

Not the exact one referenced, but incriminating enough: https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1461750873445568515 Edit: another https://twitter.com/ElnordicoBk/status/1471158531394998273

Clicked through and found quotes of Fauci saying “highly effective” and “extraordinarily effective”. Not 100%

Note that these quotes are in context of the US and Fauci’s publicly announced plan to approve, as part of Operation Warp Speed, vaccines that were at least 50% effective.[1]

The vaccines proving to be 80-90% effective in that context certainly makes it reasonable to call them highly effective.

[1] https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/12/9119879...

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Post by jjulius »

vidoc wrote: post #43
jjulius wrote: post #13

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> They never claimed it stopped infection True, but they sure as hell implied it did. For example, this fact check appeared in the search container of google early on: note the use of the double negative in the VERDICT. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-transmission/fa...

>Scientists are not yet sure of how the vaccine affects transmission – and this is currently undergoing research.

I don't know how much clearer they can get with that next sentence.

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Post by schleck8 »

rglover wrote: post #56
junon wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Link please.

Not the exact one referenced, but incriminating enough: https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1461750873445568515 Edit: another https://twitter.com/ElnordicoBk/status/1471158531394998273

"94 to 95 percent"

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Post by tamaharbor »

victor106 wrote: post #58
yosito wrote: post #28

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> Fucking Republicans As a vaccinated, boosted republican, this attitude isn't helping. Yeah, there are a bunch of idiotic republican politicians out there. But there are also a lot of idiotic democrat politicians out there who aren't making COVID policy decisions based on science and evidence, but based on their ideological side: outdoor mask mandates, travel bans, blocking people's access to their own private prope…

I identify myself as an independent. I have voted for both republicans and democrats. But it’s undeniable that there are large numbers of republicans that are unvaccinated. See the below two links https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/import... https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828...

And basically calling anyone “deplorable” for not taking the vaccine isn’t going to work this time either.

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Post by jjulius »

throwawayboise wrote: post #60
junon wrote: post #42

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Your own misunderstanding of the difference between SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 do not entitle you to assert anything about the subject.

It matters not. The public was lead to believe that the vaccines were highly effective and safe. Now they are realized to be not so effective (against Delta/Omicron) and not so safe (J&J/Janssen recently "de-preferenced" by CDC due to clotting). We are still wearing masks, when we were once told the vaccinated didn't need to mask. Two years later, there is no end in sight. If you want to build trust, don't oversell t…

>The public was lead to believe that the vaccines were highly effective and safe. Now they are realized to be not so effective (against Delta/Omicron)...

You mean how they typically clarified they didn't know how efficacy would play out in future variants? Because that was definitely a thing.

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Post by jmarbach »

stavros wrote: post #32
jmarbach wrote: post #12

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You are arguing over semantics. In reality, the Pfizer vax has proven to be less than 10% effective at stopping a future infection.

English isn't my native language, but I thought "proven" wasn't a synonym for "I asked my friends".

It's a fair critique. But when the Captain of an airplane I'm flying on tells me there's an emergency problem with the flaps, I don't ask him for text book evidence, I just look out at the wings and verify the problem.

Check this data in a few weeks. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-s...

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Post by varelse »

rglover wrote: post #56
junon wrote: post #36

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Link please.

Not the exact one referenced, but incriminating enough: https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1461750873445568515 Edit: another https://twitter.com/ElnordicoBk/status/1471158531394998273

Now do Joe Rogan and Alex Jones...

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Post by jjulius »

jmarbach wrote: post #59
throwaway2016a wrote: post #49

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The efficacy is pretty well proven to be > 90% at this point. Per your comment where you admit the number was pulled out of thin air: > Anecdotal. You do not need to be a meteorologist to know when it's raining. Look outside. I'll raise you this... where I am 100% of ICU cases are unvaccinated. Read that again 100%. And over 85% of hospitalizations. And before you say "see, 15% of them were breakthrough cases," pleas…

I am vaccinated - I believe in the early vaccine's efficacy for stopping serious illness. They have saved many lives. What I am saying here is that the vaccines were marketed as 90% effective for preventing infection. Was I misunderstanding what was being marketed to me all along?

Yes, you have misunderstood this all along, and that misunderstanding has already been pointed out to you in this thread[1]. It is effective at preventing COVID-19 infections, which you get after being infected with SARA-CoV-2. It never claimed to prevent infection of the latter.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29619347

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