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Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Re: Pfizer’s Covid-19 Pill is 89% Effective in Phase 2/3 Study

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Post by paulsutter »

atonse wrote: post #23
marklubi wrote: post #21

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> The race to vaccinate enough people is frankly impossible considering how politically charged it became. Fucking Republicans. Please take your politically charged discourse elsewhere. This isn't the right place for mudslinging like this.

I do agree with the general sentiment of keeping politics out of it. But sadly there do seem to be some pretty strong correlations at a county level across the US. It could also be rural/urban cultural divides but the more obvious one is simply politics.

Low income folks have low vaccination rates, high income folks have high vaccination rates

It’s just as foolish to believe CNN as Fox

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Post by desine »

jiggawatts wrote: post #45
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>Good luck! I look forward to your references to peer-reviewed, reproduced, double-blind studies upending decades of well established medical science.

Why is my burden of proof higher than yours? I at least linked one study in my sibling comment.

I haven't seen that from anyone, studying anything, in years. Around 2018 there were actually a ton of articles and discussions right here on HN about the reproducibility problem in science, and that there's no funding for reproducing studies anymore. Everything is just cite and move on. We were actually making significant progress in reforming our ideas of science, and the effects that scientific funding sources have on our knowledge, as a species (hint if it's not profitable we probably aren't studying it).

That all got thrown by the wayside as "trust the science" became the political rallying cry of half the population over the last year.

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Post by johnisgood »

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I'm not sure the taxpayers will pay for that if you are unvaccinated. This pill is for "high-risk patients who took the antiviral within three days of symptom onset". The vaccination even seems to be a bit more effective than this pill?

But I am not vaccinated for health reasons. When are we going to start differentiating? Were I not a freelancer, I would have lost my job because I am not vaccinated, for health reasons. It is a pretty shitty thing to do to people.

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Post by vidoc »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #11
beaned wrote: post #8

The vaccines were also lauded as 100% effective in the early days by Fauci and others, so just a reminder that time and reproducibility matter before being too confident about it.

I don't recall a single instance of 100% efficacy claim. It was around 92-97%.

At some point there was some PR about 100% effectiveness of the product on kids, according to, the guys who actually manufacture the product :)

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

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Post by javagram »

_-david-_ wrote: post #37
atonse wrote: post #23

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I do agree with the general sentiment of keeping politics out of it. But sadly there do seem to be some pretty strong correlations at a county level across the US. It could also be rural/urban cultural divides but the more obvious one is simply politics.

There are a large number of blacks and young people who are not vaccinated. This is a bipartisan thing.

Actually, political affiliation is the strongest demographic predictor for Covid-19 vaccine refusal.

Check the actual stats. Unfortunately a lot of GOP leaning media sources including top rated Fox News opinion hosts have been spreading FUD about the vaccine for a year. People listen to their trusted news hosts and media sources…

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Post by rglover »

junon wrote: post #36
6nf wrote: post #34

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There's a well known tweet of Fauci saying 'all three vaccines are 100% effective'

Link please.

Not the exact one referenced, but incriminating enough: https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1461750873445568515

Edit: another https://twitter.com/ElnordicoBk/status/1471158531394998273

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Post by javagram »

vidoc wrote: post #54
xboxnolifes wrote: post #11

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I don't recall a single instance of 100% efficacy claim. It was around 92-97%.

At some point there was some PR about 100% effectiveness of the product on kids, according to, the guys who actually manufacture the product :) https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

Note however that if you read farther down it does say “vaccine efficacy of 100% (95% confidence interval [CI, 87.5, 100.0]).”

Also that press release is not by any possible definition from “early days” nor is it issued by Dr Fauci.

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Post by victor106 »

yosito wrote: post #28
btmiller wrote: post #19

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> Fucking Republicans As a vaccinated, boosted republican, this attitude isn't helping. Yeah, there are a bunch of idiotic republican politicians out there. But there are also a lot of idiotic democrat politicians out there who aren't making COVID policy decisions based on science and evidence, but based on their ideological side: outdoor mask mandates, travel bans, blocking people's access to their own private prope…

I identify myself as an independent. I have voted for both republicans and democrats.

But it’s undeniable that there are large numbers of republicans that are unvaccinated.

See the below two links

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/poll-finding/import...

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828...

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Post by jmarbach »

throwaway2016a wrote: post #49
jmarbach wrote: post #12

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You are arguing over semantics. In reality, the Pfizer vax has proven to be less than 10% effective at stopping a future infection.

The efficacy is pretty well proven to be > 90% at this point. Per your comment where you admit the number was pulled out of thin air: > Anecdotal. You do not need to be a meteorologist to know when it's raining. Look outside. I'll raise you this... where I am 100% of ICU cases are unvaccinated. Read that again 100%. And over 85% of hospitalizations. And before you say "see, 15% of them were breakthrough cases," pleas…

I am vaccinated - I believe in the early vaccine's efficacy for stopping serious illness. They have saved many lives.

What I am saying here is that the vaccines were marketed as 90% effective for preventing infection. Was I misunderstanding what was being marketed to me all along?

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Post by throwawayboise »

junon wrote: post #42
jmarbach wrote: post #14

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You are completely wrong -- totally warped by the narrative. Look at the Pfizer press release, Nov 9, 2020 - the first sentence: "Vaccine candidate was found to be more than 90% effective in preventing COVID-19 in participants without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection in the first interim efficacy analysis" https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

Your own misunderstanding of the difference between SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19 do not entitle you to assert anything about the subject.

It matters not. The public was lead to believe that the vaccines were highly effective and safe. Now they are realized to be not so effective (against Delta/Omicron) and not so safe (J&J/Janssen recently "de-preferenced" by CDC due to clotting). We are still wearing masks, when we were once told the vaccinated didn't need to mask. Two years later, there is no end in sight.

If you want to build trust, don't oversell the product when you don't really know what you are talking about.

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