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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by TMWNN »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #176
sirspacey wrote: post #129

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Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

> bankrupt in both their pedagogy and their budgets The budget woes are a myth. The US spends more on education than most other countries in exchange for middle of the pack results comparable to less developed countries with far lower budgets. The main budgetary problem is bureaucratic. The schools get more than enough money, but the teachers aren't the ones who decide how to spend it, so a teacher who wants more sch…

>The budget woes are a myth. The US spends more on education than most other countries

Correct. New York City spends more per student than anywhere else in the US (https://www.silive.com/news/2019/06/how-much-does-new-york-c...>). Baltimore, an incredibly poor and run-down city, spends the third most. #4-6 and #8 are all wealthy suburbs of Washington DC, but their schools are all far better than those of Baltimore or NYC on average, despite Baltimore spending slightly more per student and NYC spending 60-70% more.

>in exchange for middle of the pack results comparable to less developed countries with far lower budgets.

Americans do well on PISA compared to their ethnic relatives. (https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-sco...>) Asian Americans do better than Asians; whites do better than Europeans; Latinos do better than Latin Americans; and blacks do better than Africans.

Hispanics and especially blacks' scores drag the US average down. Both white and Asian Americans score higher than Canada (and white+Asian is essentially Canada's racial makeup), and higher than New Zealand, Australia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, France, Norway, and the UK; Estonia is below US Asians but above white Americans. Norway is by far the wealthiest Nordic state but its average is only two points higher than the US national average, despite not having a demographic that is 13% of the population and scores 85 points below the white American average.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by lazyasciiart »

goldfeld wrote: post #264
lilyball wrote: post #246

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It sounds like she’s seeking stimulation that she doesn’t get otherwise. The iPad isn’t the cause here, it’s just the tool of the moment.

I'm also steeped on wine all day through since it provides stimulation burp I don't get otherwise, it's just the heat of the moment! Cheers!

Most people have access to alcohol and do not drink all day. Among those that do drink all day, it's common to use alcohol to self-medicate for various mental issues like depression and anxiety. Removing the alcohol will not fix the underlying problem and may simply result in a different choice of self-medication.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by lazyasciiart »

Grustaf wrote: post #287
rock_hard wrote: post #284

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We have never had a screen time policy. I was always unlimited. He also watches a bunch of dumb crab on YouTube…but hey, I enjoy my stupid TikTok memes too…so why wouldn’t I let him. I make fun of him when I think he does something stupid…but it’s in good spirit. My job as a parent is not to manipulate him into the life I think he should live…my job is to enable him to live his! And Yes, our 5y old takes a full size…

How do you ride a dirt bike in a half pipe? I think you're mixing up terminology here. And he must be very big for his age if he can ride a full-size dirt bike. > My job as a parent is not to manipulate him into the life I think he should live That happens to be exactly what your job is. Children don't know what's best for them, that's why they have parents.

You're misreading the words. It said "full size dirt park half pipe"

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Post by lazyasciiart »

smt88 wrote: post #237
visarga wrote: post #144

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The age, not attending classes, is about having the first romantic experiences. And there were months of lock downs and almost two years of remote schooling cutting the opportunities to meet people.

They still did those things. School isn't the only place kids socialize.

Movie theaters, shops, sports leagues, boy scouts, etc were also closed.

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Post by midjji »

hulahoof wrote: post #276
q1w2 wrote: post #221

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One of the most eye-opening studies I saw was that social science papers with the most citations, had the highest likelihood of not being reproducible. Meaning that Social Sciences are actually pushing out misinformation more than not.

Is this somehow a flow on effect of more commonly cited papers having more reproduction attempts?

No, a moderately successful paper has 1-10 k citations, and usually 0-1 reproductions. Extremely successful papers have 10-40 k citations and 1-3 reproductions. They largely dont matter at all.

Its mostly because extraordinary claims receive more attention, and thus is found by the group for whom the result supported their prior beliefs. They will use it whenever they need to support such. This is also why such studies tend to keep getting cited as evidence long after a long line of failures to replicate have been published. As the result is non-replicable, there also wont be a newer, improved version of the publication, meaning all cites go to the original.

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Post by Nasrudith »

q1w2 wrote: post #221
peterbonney wrote: post #209

I think I say this every time I see a headline like this on HN, but I'll say it again: The past decade of social science research publication has proven that provocative-sounding results should be considered fraudulent until the underlying data has been published, and then (assuming the data passes muster) should be regarded with skepticism until independently replicated with a fresh data set.

One of the most eye-opening studies I saw was that social science papers with the most citations, had the highest likelihood of not being reproducible. Meaning that Social Sciences are actually pushing out misinformation more than not.

That doesn't technically mean misinformation although but it does imply major room for improvement in methodology. If I roll a d20 and get a 7 and you roll it and get 13 that doesn't make the prior study inaccurate. The sizes are too low or not properly defined.

But the combination of publish-or-perish and grant seeking pushing sensationalism isn't good for honesty let alone accuracy or precision.

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Post by lilyball »

PsylentKnight wrote: post #283
lilyball wrote: post #246

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It sounds like she’s seeking stimulation that she doesn’t get otherwise. The iPad isn’t the cause here, it’s just the tool of the moment.

I'd argue that the more you're stimulated, the greater your need for stimulation becomes.

Why?

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Post by q1w2 »

hulahoof wrote: post #276
q1w2 wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the most eye-opening studies I saw was that social science papers with the most citations, had the highest likelihood of not being reproducible. Meaning that Social Sciences are actually pushing out misinformation more than not.

Is this somehow a flow on effect of more commonly cited papers having more reproduction attempts?

The theory is that there is a pressure in certain academic fields to reinforce existing popular narratives with new publications, motivating researchers to confirm them, and thus for other researchers to cite them. ...but since such efforts attract low-quality researchers and are based on an implicit initial bias, due to its self-referential nature, that the results are not reproducible by others in the future since teams that try to reproduce results are usually more neutral on the topics.

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Post by Nasrudith »

cabalamat wrote: post #290
howdydoo wrote: post #262

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And no country with "United" in its name is actually united.

For example, all 3 of the non-English parts of the UK have separatist movements that are big enough they have MPs elected.

Well the fact they need to advocate for separation is proof of unity by default at least. It is united as government organizations, not united as a hivemind.

Unity failing under the previous is say, Birmingham besieging London. The latter never happened.

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Post by nitrogen »

mindslight wrote: post #271
nitrogen wrote: post #131

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their goal is simply to not be told what to do The urge to resist force is a vital element of US culture as a check on runaway governments. You see it in many movements, on both sides for or against. Women don't want to be forced to carry a baby. LGBT community doesn't want to be forced to hide. Christians don't want to be forced to stop praying in school. Non-Christians don't want to be forced to listen to prayers i…

The vast majority of people refusing to get vaccinated are doing so because a centralized top-down political machine told them to be against vaccination. This is about as un-libertarian as one can get. As a libertarian that is actually concerned with freedom, the main thing the Trumpertantrum has accomplished is discrediting the concept. Back when it was a small subset of antivax nutters, causing at most an occasiona…

Excessive vehemence fuels that machine, though. It's just too easy to take an authoritarian stance when we already agree with the stance and would stand to benefit, but that is counterproductive in the long run and just amplifies polarization.
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