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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by throwoutway »

nkrisc wrote: post #187
WA wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day? And: How old is your son and at what age did you start the unlimited screen time policy? Because as you say, there is more nuance to screen time. It depends on the kid’s personality, the age, the environment, friends, access to outdoor activities etc.

> Cool, but what if your son stops watching interesting YT videos and starts playing Fortnite 10 hours a day? Then something else is wrong. That's not a normal behavior that healthy people do, it's a symptom of some other problem in their life. Thanks to the pandemic, my son has learned that screens can be boring, and it's not all that exciting anymore after too much time. He's learned to put it down and find somethi…

> That's not a normal behavior that healthy people do, it's a symptom of some other problem in their life.

Not necessarily. Not when social media and gaming companies hire psychologist PhDs to explicitly entrap children through addictive traits

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Post by syshum »

mnd999 wrote: post #197
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #176

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> bankrupt in both their pedagogy and their budgets The budget woes are a myth. The US spends more on education than most other countries in exchange for middle of the pack results comparable to less developed countries with far lower budgets. The main budgetary problem is bureaucratic. The schools get more than enough money, but the teachers aren't the ones who decide how to spend it, so a teacher who wants more sch…

So basically a deregulated, market based approach. This will work great in wealthy areas with good schools with educated and supportive parents.

>>supportive parents.

supportive parents are the key to success, rich, poor, black, white, asian, Hispanic, gay, strait, etc.

children with rich parents may have more doors opened, and access to things, but proclaim wealth is the only factor or even the biggest factor is false.

unsupported rich parents turn out children that fail all the time, and supportive poor parents turn out children that go on to success.

A support system at home is the biggest determinate for success or failure in life.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by dools »

orangepurple wrote: post #196
dools wrote: post #166

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The comparison of abortion with vaccination is a horrendous piece of libertarian propaganda. No one is strapping people down and injecting them with a vaccine, it’s not a forced medical procedure. However the involvement in certain activities by the unvaccinated is limited and this is similar to many other public health orders such as not being able to smoke inside a restaurant.

Correct, nobody is strapping people down and injecting them with a vaccine. Instead, they are merely withholding your ability to purchase food and avoid repossession of your shelter if they aren't vaccinated.

There are plenty of work opportunities that don’t require vaccination, just as there is work available where you can smoke while on the job. If you choose to smoke you will find it much more difficult to work as a flight attendant than a truck driver for example.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by rackjack »

peterbonney wrote: post #233
tboyd47 wrote: post #232

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Just like epidemiology, right?

Does epidemiology have a well-publicized replication crisis with numerous examples of outright fraud from high-profile researchers? If so then yes. If not then why don’t you just say what you’re trying to say rather than imply it obliquely in the form of a question?

They need to imply it obliquely because their arguments tend to fall apart under scrutiny.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by mcguire »

smeej wrote: post #46

I wish the "Methods" section got a bit more info the assessments themselves. These kids are a maximum of two years old. It's not like they're sitting down with math worksheets. From my (limited) understanding, most cognitive assessments in children that age have to do with responsiveness to stimuli. It would help to know what they're testing specifically, and if it could be something extremely specific to the test th…

"In this work, therefore, we specifically sought to explore individual and population-level trends in infant and early child neurodevelopment. Analyses of cognitive development, assessed using Mullen Scales of Early Learning [40], a population normed and clinically administered tool that assesses function across the five primary domains of fine and gross motor control, visual reception, and expressive and respective language via direct observation and performance, provides some of the first direct evidence of the developmental impact of the COVID-19 pandemic."

https://www.pearsonassessments.com/store/usassessments/en/St...

"The Mullen Scales of Early Learning (MSEL) is a standardized assessment that is commonly used in clinical psychology as a developmental measure of cognitive development (Mullen, 1989, 1995). The MSEL is organized into 5 subscales: (a) gross motor, (b) fine motor, (c) visual reception (or non-verbal problem solving), (d) receptive language, and (e) expressive language. An early learning composite score can be derived from fine motor, visual reception, receptive language, and expressive language scales. For young children this early learning composite score is considered equivalent to a more traditional “IQ” score or a developmental standard score." (https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/psychology/mullen-scale...)

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Post by lilyball »

pyuser583 wrote: post #186
sirspacey wrote: post #129

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Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

My daughter began an extremely unhealthy relationship with screens during COVID. She watches YouTube for hours on end, usually 15 second meme videos that alternate between vacant and toxic. She’s obsessed with memes to the point where it’s impossible for her to hold a conversation with someone who doesn’t have a similar browsing history. She’s lost a shared common vocabulary with even her closed friends. Maybe iPads…

It sounds like she’s seeking stimulation that she doesn’t get otherwise. The iPad isn’t the cause here, it’s just the tool of the moment.

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Post by teloli »

syshum wrote: post #238
peterbonney wrote: post #209

I think I say this every time I see a headline like this on HN, but I'll say it again: The past decade of social science research publication has proven that provocative-sounding results should be considered fraudulent until the underlying data has been published, and then (assuming the data passes muster) should be regarded with skepticism until independently replicated with a fresh data set.

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It’s hard to find a discipline with “science” in its name that is actually a science.

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Post by Animats »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #176
sirspacey wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

> bankrupt in both their pedagogy and their budgets The budget woes are a myth. The US spends more on education than most other countries in exchange for middle of the pack results comparable to less developed countries with far lower budgets. The main budgetary problem is bureaucratic. The schools get more than enough money, but the teachers aren't the ones who decide how to spend it, so a teacher who wants more sch…

First, stop trying to regulate education from the top.

The US doesn't regulate education from the top. Japan and France do. US education is very locally controlled.

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Post by Grustaf »

rock_hard wrote: post #160
sirspacey wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

We also have a unlimited screen time policy with our kids It’s been nothing but great! They turned into information sponges with a huge amount of knowledge about the world, way ahead of their peers. Our son watches a lot of extrem sports YouTube content which always inspires him to push harder to get better at those sports himself. He is the only one in his class who will tackle the large half pipes at the local dirt…

"Bicycles bad"? I don't think anyone has said that since Victorian times. Probably not then either.

If your son hadn't been into BMX/MTB/Cross (are you sure you mean halfpipe?) before the unlimited screen time policy, don't you think he might have ended up obsessed with computer games or youtube instead?

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