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Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by throwaway_2009 »

astrange wrote: post #134
throwaway_2009 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attendance dropped due to lockdowns and the fear campaign. I was there, remember? The pubs were rammed, Boris started saying "don't do X", numbers decreased a lot, he said "we make this legal now", the world stopped. I'm bored of debating this now so whatever, all I get online is a stream of trolls. Good luck.

No, attendance dropped in 2020 because nobody wants to get sick. This would be true if there was a flu pandemic as well. (And because of travel bans. But the anti-lockdown people mostly support those because that’s the ironic position.)

This comment does not represent the reality I live in. Nice try.

Re: Children born in the pandemic have significantly reduced cognitive performance [pdf]

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Post by mrweasel »

colordrops wrote: post #10

At this point in the pandemic we've should have come up with models that factor in the externalities of lockdown and factor that into policy decisions. That somehow still hasn't happened. People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know this is not true.

> People say "things are pretty much back to normal" but parents with kids in school know this is not true.

This illustrates pretty well the absolute massive difference in how people experience the pandemic. People with kids in school and people certain types of jobs is hit extremely hard. Some absolutely struggle with home schooling, being out of a job, feeling isolated and a myriad of other issues. For others, like myself, other than having to work from home some of the time, and getting regularly tested, the whole thing has made some aspects of life much much easier. The only downside, for both me and my wife, is that there's more work to be done than ever.

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Post by giantg2 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #120
astrange wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Antivaxxers tend to use scientific/rational language though, as opposed to new age vibes or what they heard from their priests. They’re using a modernist mindset, they just happen to be wrong.

> using a modernist mindset Would be curious to see data on this. I most frequently see an emotional appeal against authority, vague anxieties and fears and/or slippery slope arguments.

Use of rational language does not mean that the conclusion is reasonable, nor free of fallacy. For example, people saying the covid shot interferes with long term immunity is rational and modern, just not based in fact (or misapplying fact).

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Post by visarga »

smt88 wrote: post #110
visarga wrote: post #74

The pandemic was a big hit on the development of kids who were supposed to start kindergarten but stayed at home instead. They are on average less social and verbal as a result. I hope they can recover the delay as I am the father of a 3 year old. I bet a similar delaying effect is happening for adolescent kids who would have started being interested in the opposite sex but all they could do was Zoom into virtual lec…

> I bet a similar delaying effect is happening for adolescent kids who would have started being interested in the opposite sex but all they could do was Zoom into virtual lectures while being alone. So in your opinion, attending class is about finding a heterosexual romantic partner? I know lots of teenagers had virtual lectures, but I don't know any teenagers who were 100% socially isolated from their peers for very…

The age, not attending classes, is about having the first romantic experiences. And there were months of lock downs and almost two years of remote schooling cutting the opportunities to meet people.

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Post by endisneigh »

sirspacey wrote: post #129
fabbari wrote: post #16

Would love to see the raw data, but from their own plots you can see that 2017, 2018 and 2019 show a trend that would make the 2020 and 2021 data consistent with the trend. As they show data comparing 2020 and 2021 to the previous years, they could have shown a matrix to compare year over year across the data. I will wait for someone to look at the raw data and peer review the paper before jumping to conclusions. I'm…

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

> Maybe they are one reason cognitive decline in children isn’t dramatically worse.

What's your household income?

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Post by loceng »

sirspacey wrote: post #129
fabbari wrote: post #16

Would love to see the raw data, but from their own plots you can see that 2017, 2018 and 2019 show a trend that would make the 2020 and 2021 data consistent with the trend. As they show data comparing 2020 and 2021 to the previous years, they could have shown a matrix to compare year over year across the data. I will wait for someone to look at the raw data and peer review the paper before jumping to conclusions. I'm…

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

The most notable difference between TV and computers of various sizes is it's interactive vs. passive, so the "reducing screen time" needs more nuance to the discussion - likewise Roblox etc together as a family sounds lovely vs. isolated dopamine hits from Instagram potentially allowing your peers/strangers dictate how you should feel about yourself (wrongly in either direction).

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Post by watwut »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #132
zzzeek wrote: post #88

you know what really impacts early cognitive performance? having one's parents die from covid. So while social distancing, closings, and masks completely suck, they have been necessary in order to attempt to maintain public health, and without them, there would have been vastly more deaths.

That may be true for grandparents. We should do something about heart diseases or car accidents which are far more worrisome for parents.

Parents of infants have high rates of heart diseases? I found following estimate about covid:

> approximately 1 out of 500 children in the United States has experienced COVID-19-associated orphanhood or death of a grandparent caregiver

Those are all caregivers , not just any grandparent.

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Post by baxtr »

sirspacey wrote: post #129
fabbari wrote: post #16

Would love to see the raw data, but from their own plots you can see that 2017, 2018 and 2019 show a trend that would make the 2020 and 2021 data consistent with the trend. As they show data comparing 2020 and 2021 to the previous years, they could have shown a matrix to compare year over year across the data. I will wait for someone to look at the raw data and peer review the paper before jumping to conclusions. I'm…

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

I have a friend who was always the best in his class at Uni and has become a lead doctor in a major hospital. He once told me that he used to watch roughly 2-3 hrs of television on any day when he was a kid because his parents needed to work all the time. He turned out just fine.

I remember back in the day television was the bad guy in town. I wonder if iPads aren’t much better since they foster interaction and not just dull watching.

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Post by Cerium »

loceng wrote: post #146
sirspacey wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: was intended as response to a reply to this. Appreciate the caution. We took a different approach. Unlimited screen time. Our daughter’s rate of learning is incredible. She willingly explores IRL play. No battles when we ask her to put down her iPad. Roblox and Minecraft are our shared playtime. I was homeschooled with no TV. My experience of her development is similar to what I experienced with my siblings. A…

The most notable difference between TV and computers of various sizes is it's interactive vs. passive, so the "reducing screen time" needs more nuance to the discussion - likewise Roblox etc together as a family sounds lovely vs. isolated dopamine hits from Instagram potentially allowing your peers/strangers dictate how you should feel about yourself (wrongly in either direction).

This reminds me of all the screen time I had as a kid with my parents, taking turns on single player games (a life or a race). A lot of time spent thinking about how the next turn would go, who would be better at this level (my mom was great at some Zelda temples and I was better at others). Way more thinking happened than any other TV activity.
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