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http://silelis.com projectors and http://snaige.lt refrigerators are the first ones that come to mind.

Are they made in PRC though?

SNAIGĖ makes everything locally in their Alytus factory.

Haven't heard about Šilelis before, but it does seem like a new company bought the trademark to sell repackaged junk from China.

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Katyn or Rainiai or 1941 Deportations was a benefit to Allie’s too I guess :)

The dark truth is that probably, yes, it was a benefit to the Allies.

Half of europe being behind iron curtain is beneficial to allies too. Now West got plenty of cheap workforce... Today's China is great too in a sense :)

Looking at Poland army in exile, I bet if those people shot in Katyn were able to escape, that'd have helped allies more than decomposing bodies helped the local ecosystem.

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USSR being lord savior from the Nazis is the best marketing campaign ever. And that sells like hot bagels :( Joint parades in Poland, training German armies in secrecy, Gulag tours to learn about concentration camps, selling strategic resources right up to the day when Nazis do u-turn… meh.

Considering that Easter Front was responsible for 80% of German deaths in WWII looks like marketing is what you're selling.

Considering that Nazis couldn’t run a successful early campaign without resources from USSR…

And it’s not much being a savior if you just install new management and keep the shitty practices

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China could take Taiwan and I don't think anyone would stop them. But the aftermath would be pretty terrible. The US and EU would lock them out of the their economies, as would basically every country in the region except NK. Economic collapse would ensue and that would likely lead to a revolution: the CCP have basically ruled on a "give up freedom and get economic opportunity" ticket. If they can't deliver... There…

There is no US Air Force base in Taiwan. There are 3 in South Korea (Kunsan, Osan, Sasebo) and 3 in Japan (Kadena, Yokota, Misawa). That’s it. No country would lock China out of their economies. It would be the most painful suicide imaginable. China is already the source of most components in most industries. A China that annexed Taiwan would also be the main source of the world’s semiconductors. And that’s even befo…

13 percent of US trade is with china. 20 percent of EU trade. And that's trade, not percent of economy.

I think you might be over estimating how indispensable they are.

This is one of (not the only reason) China is so hungry to move into harder to replace industries (cutting edge chip manufacturing for instance, infrastructure like 5G).

And of course Chinese markets are mostly closed to Western goods and services already...

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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As a Lithuanian, I have mixed feelings about this. From one side, I applaud my country for standing up to China. However, the rest of the EU seems to not be supporting us in taking strong position against China. This makes it easy for China to retaliate against Lithuania.

The real issue, in my opinion, is that the EU and the rest of the world depend heavily on China for manufacturing goods. There is that great initiative in the EU to invest in the semiconductor industry so that we would manufacture them in the EU.

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I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this. You clearly forgot what life was like before the news scared us into shutting down and will never feel comfortable operating in society again. That's fine, but don't bring others down with you.

You're clearly pining for a world that no longer exists.

it may not exist for you, but people like me are fighting like hell to get back the rights everyone else willingly gave up

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What are your thoughts on what China has done to Taiwan or the Uyghurs?

Taiwan: 1. PRC has a very clear national security interest in Taiwan not being ruled by an unpredictable regime that may host American weapon systems pointed at the mainland. See Cuban/Soviet Missile Crisis. Coincidentally, similar situation going on with Russia and Ukraine right now. 2. If/when the DPP regime falls and is replaced by a more "independent" government, that government will naturally be favorable to joi…

Sounds like you've swallowed some propaganda yourself.

"The mean old world is just lying about China." Kind of incredible that literally the whole world is conspiring against the truly good natured China because... Reasons.

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Did you forget the Cold War before Nixon? The Korean War? Even today various officials in the US military are discussion how best to militarily contain China.

Which of those relates to Chinese internal security? In other words - aside from containing Chinese/Communist external influence, when has the US threatened China? Note: I'm not justifying or condemning any of those "external" actions by the US, I'm just curious if you can illustrate a past or ongoing threat to China proper?

When the Soviet Union placed nukes in Cuba, why did the US react as aggressively and nervously as it did? After all, the nukes were harmless to the US internal security. They were there to contain the US external influence against Cuba. When has Cuba ever threatened internal security of the US?

Jokes aside, I am not sure whether you are being genuine or being difficult on purpose. Any country that has spare resources will try to create a buffer zone around itself in order to counter possible future threats. It seems self-explanatory. American military is in the region doing the same thing - building a buffer zone around China. I think Americans refer to it as "containment", but it's literally the same concept.

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Governments are a reflection of the people. They're not some nebulous, abstract entity; they're literally made and run by people of each country. They're chosen–or in some cases imposed–to represent the people to the world. Even in dictatorships, it is the people that choose for governments to remain in power. When that stops being the case, governments are overthrown, and a new set of people take power. The people o…

Seriously, I wish I had your optimism that governments reflect the people. I really do. In my worldview, and I am likely at least partially wrong, I think that almost all governments are totally controlled by corporate and elite interests - same as news media. I do try to not get too upset by this, and I just try to be a decent person. Really, I am just an average person so what else can I do?

Even if I'm wrong and governments don't reflect the people, my main point is that there are many issues with Chinese culture itself that should be criticized. This common phrase of "I don't like the Chinese government but I like the people" as a way to not appear xenophobic is what I'm arguing against. We definitely should be able to criticize wrong cultural behavior, and China has plenty of that.

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Why do you insist on dying on this hill? The Sino-Soviet split took place in 1960. Vietnam War took off later. The latter had virtually nothing to do with the USSR and everything to do with violently containing PRC. Read the linked White House memo above. > China wasn’t that big of a threat to the US Believe it or not, US strategists in 1950 were capable of planning more than 0-4 years into the future.

> Vietnam War took off later. The war started half a decade prior. The US already had 50,000 soldiers stationed in South Vietnam by the time the Sino-Soviet split reached its point of no return, plus several thousand advisors and other personnel. > Believe it or not, US strategists in 1950 were capable of planning more than 0-4 years into the future. I agree. I also think they were a bit more concerned about an arms…

> The war started half a decade prior.

We are specifically discussing American combat involvement in Vietnam, which did not meaningfully begin (beyond 100-1000s of noncombat advisors) until after the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964. With the explicit goal of containing China.

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