Live data from Hacker News

YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

latimes.com

201–210 of 225 posts

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#201
post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's user hostile about HBO Max? The app seems to work fine, it's untethered from a cable provider, and it's simple to stream it to an Apple TV (or an Apple TV app).

The service itself and the way they handled existing accounts through other services. The plug was pulled rather abruptly

I guess I had already dropped cable well before I resubscribed through HBO Max.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#202
post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s for people that want to pretend they’re cord-cutting while buying the exact same thing from a streaming company. It legitimately is way better than cable, though. Ignoring the disputes over fees, I once tried Spectrum's TV Android app (probably 3-4 years ago, I gave up on getting it to work), and this is what I experienced: * Refuses to work if a VPN is on * Must disable developer tools (doesn't matter if you…

On the other hand, 65 bucks a month is more expensive than my local Comcast package with the premium sports channels (which yttv doesn't even have the option for), plus Comcast has 4k live channels and surround sound. I think their feeds are also less compressed.

Youtube TV does have sports channels you can add-on, but I'm assuming you're referring to a specific bundle which has no equivalent.

I checked the Spectrum website, and the cheapest TV-only package they have is $77.11 for the first month, $66.40 for the next 11, and $98 thereafter. (First month has $9.99 self-install fee - you already pay every month for the cable box and install it yourself, but they charge you even if you pick it up from the store!)

But that's "Mi Plan Latino" - no sports channels. The cheapest with sports, TV Select, is $87.71 for the first month, $77.10 for the next 11, over $110 thereafter. I'm sure I could get better rates by calling them, and I have some competition in my area so I know I could actually get them, but I value my sanity too much for that.

Spectrum also doesn't have any 4k, not even through their app, though they say "we're working to add it soon" [0]. Also no surround [1]. For me, it would make no sense to go with Spectrum even if the alternative was me paying for Youtube TV.

[0]: https://www.spectrum.com/cable-tv/apple-tv-faq

[1]: https://www.spectrum.net/support/tv/spectrum-tv-app-troubles...

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you care if I enjoy a product from a company? Is my enjoyment of it harming you in some way?

I am subjected to televisions in public places like airports and waiting rooms. I have family members that turn the TV on whenever we meet up for the holidays. Friends, family and coworkers who can scarcely talk about anything other than television. Television has permeated American society for my entire life, and decades before that. I'm entitled to have an opinion on this shit, I'm not obliged to withhold my critic…

Why does it make a difference to you if people watch television versus streaming on Netflix/etc

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#204
post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it doesn't. ESPN ≠ ESPN+ Live sports on ESPN isn't typically on ESPN+.

Yes, Disney+ bundle has live sports. Read the site: > Stream live sports and exclusive originals on ESPN+ > Thousands of live events > With movies, TV shows, and live sports, there's something for everyone. They say it 3 times. Maybe OC meant to say Disney+ doesn’t include ESPN, that would be a true statement. Or maybe they meant to say Disney+ doesn’t include major live sports events, but that wasn’t the claim. Sayi…

Hulu Live has the ESPN channels, but I don't think there's a bundle with that and Disney+.

Edit: I'm mistaken. https://www.hulu.com/live-tv#bundle_details

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#205
post #124

This is just a small microcosm of what’s going on in the cable TV world. Many channels are raising their fees, but the cable providers are very reluctant to raise the price charged to end users. Instead, cable providers are opting to drop channels. This is leading to an increasingly fragmented cable TV market where it’s impossible to get all the channels you may want to watch. For instance, Comcast just dropped MSG,…

A few years back my cable provider got in a tiff with the local CBS affiliate about programming fees.

Each side blamed the other and neither side was willing to compromise. The cable provider dropped the channel in retaliation and for some 2 years we had no CBS. (Naturally there was no discount in the monthly cable bill as a result of this “principled stand”.)

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#206

Personally I'm delighted to trade ABC, ESPN, etc [1] for a $15 reduction in my YouTube TV bill. It just makes me wish Google would unbundle all their different providers so I could choose only the ones I want. [1] Your local ABC channel, ABC News Live, Disney Channel, Disney Junior, Disney XD, Freeform, FX, FXX, FXM, National Geographic, National Geographic Wild, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3 (by authentication to the ESPN app)…

Youtube TV would GLADLY unbundle ESPN. Disney will not allow it. Disney insists that every Youtube TV subscriber pays for ESPN or nobody gets it.

Google is fairly asking that whatever price they pay for ESPN, that no other streaming service (including Hulu which Disney owns) gets a better price. Disney said no. This is the fundamental reason Google does not now have an agreement with Disney for the channels.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not comparable. Disney+ doesn’t include any live content

Exactly. These are the live stations being dropped: ABC ABC News Live Disney Channel Disney Junior Disney XD ESPN ESPN2 ESPNU ESPNEWS Freeform FX FXX FXM National Geographic National Geographic Wild SEC Network Of those, the Disney bundle would only cover the sports channels on ESPN+ (I'm assuming it has all the cames broadcast on the channels.) Edit: according to other comments ESPN+ doesn't even cover all the sport…

Doesn't D+ include all of the shows from all of those networks except for FX and ABC?

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#208
post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it doesn't. ESPN ≠ ESPN+ Live sports on ESPN isn't typically on ESPN+.

Yes, Disney+ bundle has live sports. Read the site: > Stream live sports and exclusive originals on ESPN+ > Thousands of live events > With movies, TV shows, and live sports, there's something for everyone. They say it 3 times. Maybe OC meant to say Disney+ doesn’t include ESPN, that would be a true statement. Or maybe they meant to say Disney+ doesn’t include major live sports events, but that wasn’t the claim. Sayi…

I should have clarified, ESPN+ isn't a replacement for ESPN. It is an extension. ESPN+ gets the live games that aren't being played on the ESPN network of channels.

Disney doesn't want you to drop your cable package for ESPN+.

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don't confuse Gmail with Google Maps or Google Search just because they are on the same root domain

They don’t call gmail “YouTube mail” or google maps “YouTube maps” either.

That was just one example... Surely you can think of others.

How about Google Play, Google Fi, and countless others? They all share the same domain

Re: YouTube TV loses ESPN, ABC and other Disney channels in fee dispute

#210
Well, I don't really care for Disney. I am happy to save $15 per month. Not a lot of money, yet it is when you consider that we never really watch the channels we are losing. In other words, we are not going to mis anything. Disney is doing us a favor.

One way I interpret this is that Disney is trying to muscle everyone by using their content. They'd rather it be available exclusively by subscription to their streaming service. For some reason all of these companies think everyone has $50 per month to throw their way. Most people can't subscribe to five or six streaming services simultaneously. Even if you could, how much TV do you watch? Is that a good use of time and money?

Post reply on HN